https://wikimedia.org.au/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Leighblackall&feedformat=atomWikimedia Australia - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T10:29:40ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.40.1https://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8853Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132013-01-09T05:23:59Z<p>Leighblackall: </p>
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<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for clarifying these points Leigh. On further reflection, and given what we've done at similar events, the budget seems reasonable to me now. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:18, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
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== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for those responses Leigh. Regards, [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 15:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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::::We've got quite a few people (such as Chris) who have participated in our regional development workshops, I'm quite sure that finding a trainer won't be an issue. I'd even potentially be interested in bringing a local (meaning Victorian) along in addition to an experienced trainer to learn the ropes with a view to having someone in the area available for future workshops. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:16, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
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:::::Excellent suggestion Lankiveil! No better way to learn how to teach then through observation and assistance of others I reckon. If you know people in Victoria, please let them know. We're looking like moving the date to the second week of Feb now, to give some time for promotions, and I'll try and get an attendance list up here on the wiki so we know how many people we may be helping. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 19:07, 23 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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::::::I've notified Peterdownunder at [[w:simple:User talk:Peterdownunder]]. If this proposal is approved (at the Jan 5? board meeting), another email calling for trainers should be sent to the public mailing list, and active people in [[w:Category:Wikipedians in Victoria]] should be notified on their talk page. Especially, [https://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wikipedians+in+Victoria&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Wikipedians+interested+in+medicine&tagdeep=5&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en these 11 people]] in Victoria have an interest in medicine (and most are medical students, nurses, doctors, etc.) --[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 13:24, 24 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:::::::I can assist on the day (or both days) and am quite interested in getting involved in training.--[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] 18:33, 7 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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::::::::Thanks Peter and John. Good suggestion John, and thanks for making the task simple with that link. The date is firming up to being 21 Feb. I hope that is a good time for you Peter?[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:57, 9 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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== Looks good ==<br />
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I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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==Date change==<br />
We're changing the date to 13 Feb, at this stage. <br />
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I'm not able to edit the proposal, anyone know why?<br />
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What comes next? Has the proposal been accepted?<br />
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[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:07, 2 January 2013 (EST)<br />
:As you are not a member, you're editing on the wiki is restricted. See [[Proposal:Non-member participation]].<br />
:Your proposal will be voted on by the committee on Saturday at our board meeting. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 14:49, 3 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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:: I see, thanks for updating it for me John. Once we hold this workshop, and get a few more staff here interested in using the Wikis in their work, I will suggest that the faculty buy a rolling membership with WMAu.. we might revisit the idea of organisational membership on Sunday?<br />
:: Because editing on WMAu is not possible for non members, I will move the workshop website to Outreach, as we did for the Tasmania workshops, and start out from there - if Chris is comfy with that method. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 11:25, 4 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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Another date change, this one looks set. 21 Feb. Can someone who is able to edit the proposal page, please update it with that date? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:55, 9 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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==Workshop now on Outreach==<br />
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Bendigo_Victoria [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:23, 9 January 2013 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8849Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132013-01-09T04:58:09Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Need to pin down the trainer */</p>
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<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for clarifying these points Leigh. On further reflection, and given what we've done at similar events, the budget seems reasonable to me now. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:18, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for those responses Leigh. Regards, [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 15:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::We've got quite a few people (such as Chris) who have participated in our regional development workshops, I'm quite sure that finding a trainer won't be an issue. I'd even potentially be interested in bringing a local (meaning Victorian) along in addition to an experienced trainer to learn the ropes with a view to having someone in the area available for future workshops. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:16, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
:::::Excellent suggestion Lankiveil! No better way to learn how to teach then through observation and assistance of others I reckon. If you know people in Victoria, please let them know. We're looking like moving the date to the second week of Feb now, to give some time for promotions, and I'll try and get an attendance list up here on the wiki so we know how many people we may be helping. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 19:07, 23 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::::I've notified Peterdownunder at [[w:simple:User talk:Peterdownunder]]. If this proposal is approved (at the Jan 5? board meeting), another email calling for trainers should be sent to the public mailing list, and active people in [[w:Category:Wikipedians in Victoria]] should be notified on their talk page. Especially, [https://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wikipedians+in+Victoria&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Wikipedians+interested+in+medicine&tagdeep=5&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en these 11 people]] in Victoria have an interest in medicine (and most are medical students, nurses, doctors, etc.) --[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 13:24, 24 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:::::::I can assist on the day (or both days) and am quite interested in getting involved in training.--[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] 18:33, 7 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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::::::::Thanks Peter and John. Good suggestion John, and thanks for making the task simple with that link. The date is firming up to being 21 Feb. I hope that is a good time for you Peter?[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:57, 9 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Date change==<br />
We're changing the date to 13 Feb, at this stage. <br />
<br />
I'm not able to edit the proposal, anyone know why?<br />
<br />
What comes next? Has the proposal been accepted?<br />
<br />
[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:07, 2 January 2013 (EST)<br />
:As you are not a member, you're editing on the wiki is restricted. See [[Proposal:Non-member participation]].<br />
:Your proposal will be voted on by the committee on Saturday at our board meeting. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 14:49, 3 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: I see, thanks for updating it for me John. Once we hold this workshop, and get a few more staff here interested in using the Wikis in their work, I will suggest that the faculty buy a rolling membership with WMAu.. we might revisit the idea of organisational membership on Sunday?<br />
:: Because editing on WMAu is not possible for non members, I will move the workshop website to Outreach, as we did for the Tasmania workshops, and start out from there - if Chris is comfy with that method. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 11:25, 4 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
Another date change, this one looks set. 21 Feb. Can someone who is able to edit the proposal page, please update it with that date? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:55, 9 January 2013 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8847Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132013-01-09T04:57:21Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Need to pin down the trainer */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for clarifying these points Leigh. On further reflection, and given what we've done at similar events, the budget seems reasonable to me now. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:18, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for those responses Leigh. Regards, [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 15:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::We've got quite a few people (such as Chris) who have participated in our regional development workshops, I'm quite sure that finding a trainer won't be an issue. I'd even potentially be interested in bringing a local (meaning Victorian) along in addition to an experienced trainer to learn the ropes with a view to having someone in the area available for future workshops. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:16, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
:::::Excellent suggestion Lankiveil! No better way to learn how to teach then through observation and assistance of others I reckon. If you know people in Victoria, please let them know. We're looking like moving the date to the second week of Feb now, to give some time for promotions, and I'll try and get an attendance list up here on the wiki so we know how many people we may be helping. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 19:07, 23 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::::I've notified Peterdownunder at [[w:simple:User talk:Peterdownunder]]. If this proposal is approved (at the Jan 5? board meeting), another email calling for trainers should be sent to the public mailing list, and active people in [[w:Category:Wikipedians in Victoria]] should be notified on their talk page. Especially, [https://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wikipedians+in+Victoria&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Wikipedians+interested+in+medicine&tagdeep=5&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en these 11 people]] in Victoria have an interest in medicine (and most are medical students, nurses, doctors, etc.) --[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 13:24, 24 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::::I can assist on the day (or both days) and am quite interested in getting involved in training.--[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] 18:33, 7 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::::::Thanks Peter and John. Good suggestion John, and thanks for making the task simple with that link. The date is firming up to being 21 Feb. I hope that is a good time for you Peter?[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:57, 9 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Date change==<br />
We're changing the date to 13 Feb, at this stage. <br />
<br />
I'm not able to edit the proposal, anyone know why?<br />
<br />
What comes next? Has the proposal been accepted?<br />
<br />
[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:07, 2 January 2013 (EST)<br />
:As you are not a member, you're editing on the wiki is restricted. See [[Proposal:Non-member participation]].<br />
:Your proposal will be voted on by the committee on Saturday at our board meeting. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 14:49, 3 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: I see, thanks for updating it for me John. Once we hold this workshop, and get a few more staff here interested in using the Wikis in their work, I will suggest that the faculty buy a rolling membership with WMAu.. we might revisit the idea of organisational membership on Sunday?<br />
:: Because editing on WMAu is not possible for non members, I will move the workshop website to Outreach, as we did for the Tasmania workshops, and start out from there - if Chris is comfy with that method. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 11:25, 4 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
Another date change, this one looks set. 21 Feb. Can someone who is able to edit the proposal page, please update it with that date? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:55, 9 January 2013 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8845Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132013-01-09T04:57:10Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Need to pin down the trainer */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for clarifying these points Leigh. On further reflection, and given what we've done at similar events, the budget seems reasonable to me now. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:18, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for those responses Leigh. Regards, [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 15:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::We've got quite a few people (such as Chris) who have participated in our regional development workshops, I'm quite sure that finding a trainer won't be an issue. I'd even potentially be interested in bringing a local (meaning Victorian) along in addition to an experienced trainer to learn the ropes with a view to having someone in the area available for future workshops. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:16, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
:::::Excellent suggestion Lankiveil! No better way to learn how to teach then through observation and assistance of others I reckon. If you know people in Victoria, please let them know. We're looking like moving the date to the second week of Feb now, to give some time for promotions, and I'll try and get an attendance list up here on the wiki so we know how many people we may be helping. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 19:07, 23 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::::I've notified Peterdownunder at [[w:simple:User talk:Peterdownunder]]. If this proposal is approved (at the Jan 5? board meeting), another email calling for trainers should be sent to the public mailing list, and active people in [[w:Category:Wikipedians in Victoria]] should be notified on their talk page. Especially, [https://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wikipedians+in+Victoria&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Wikipedians+interested+in+medicine&tagdeep=5&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en these 11 people]] in Victoria have an interest in medicine (and most are medical students, nurses, doctors, etc.) --[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 13:24, 24 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::::I can assist on the day (or both days) and am quite interested in getting involved in training.--[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] 18:33, 7 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
<br />
:::::::Thanks Peter and John. Good suggestion John, and thanks for making the task simple with that link. The date is firming up to being 21 Feb. I hope that is a good time for you Peter?[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:57, 9 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
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I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
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== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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==Date change==<br />
We're changing the date to 13 Feb, at this stage. <br />
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I'm not able to edit the proposal, anyone know why?<br />
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What comes next? Has the proposal been accepted?<br />
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[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:07, 2 January 2013 (EST)<br />
:As you are not a member, you're editing on the wiki is restricted. See [[Proposal:Non-member participation]].<br />
:Your proposal will be voted on by the committee on Saturday at our board meeting. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 14:49, 3 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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:: I see, thanks for updating it for me John. Once we hold this workshop, and get a few more staff here interested in using the Wikis in their work, I will suggest that the faculty buy a rolling membership with WMAu.. we might revisit the idea of organisational membership on Sunday?<br />
:: Because editing on WMAu is not possible for non members, I will move the workshop website to Outreach, as we did for the Tasmania workshops, and start out from there - if Chris is comfy with that method. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 11:25, 4 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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Another date change, this one looks set. 21 Feb. Can someone who is able to edit the proposal page, please update it with that date? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:55, 9 January 2013 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8843Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132013-01-09T04:55:56Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Date change */</p>
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<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
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Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
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#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
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I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for clarifying these points Leigh. On further reflection, and given what we've done at similar events, the budget seems reasonable to me now. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:18, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
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== A couple of comments==<br />
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* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
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If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Some comments ==<br />
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This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for those responses Leigh. Regards, [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 15:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
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We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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::::We've got quite a few people (such as Chris) who have participated in our regional development workshops, I'm quite sure that finding a trainer won't be an issue. I'd even potentially be interested in bringing a local (meaning Victorian) along in addition to an experienced trainer to learn the ropes with a view to having someone in the area available for future workshops. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:16, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
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:::::Excellent suggestion Lankiveil! No better way to learn how to teach then through observation and assistance of others I reckon. If you know people in Victoria, please let them know. We're looking like moving the date to the second week of Feb now, to give some time for promotions, and I'll try and get an attendance list up here on the wiki so we know how many people we may be helping. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 19:07, 23 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:::::I've notified Peterdownunder at [[w:simple:User talk:Peterdownunder]]. If this proposal is approved (at the Jan 5? board meeting), another email calling for trainers should be sent to the public mailing list, and active people in [[w:Category:Wikipedians in Victoria]] should be notified on their talk page. Especially, [https://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wikipedians+in+Victoria&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Wikipedians+interested+in+medicine&tagdeep=5&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en these 11 people]] in Victoria have an interest in medicine (and most are medical students, nurses, doctors, etc.) --[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 13:24, 24 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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::::::I can assist on the day (or both days) and am quite interested in getting involved in training.--[[User:Peterdownunder|Peterdownunder]] 18:33, 7 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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== Looks good ==<br />
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I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
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== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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==Date change==<br />
We're changing the date to 13 Feb, at this stage. <br />
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I'm not able to edit the proposal, anyone know why?<br />
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What comes next? Has the proposal been accepted?<br />
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[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:07, 2 January 2013 (EST)<br />
:As you are not a member, you're editing on the wiki is restricted. See [[Proposal:Non-member participation]].<br />
:Your proposal will be voted on by the committee on Saturday at our board meeting. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 14:49, 3 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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:: I see, thanks for updating it for me John. Once we hold this workshop, and get a few more staff here interested in using the Wikis in their work, I will suggest that the faculty buy a rolling membership with WMAu.. we might revisit the idea of organisational membership on Sunday?<br />
:: Because editing on WMAu is not possible for non members, I will move the workshop website to Outreach, as we did for the Tasmania workshops, and start out from there - if Chris is comfy with that method. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 11:25, 4 January 2013 (EST)<br />
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Another date change, this one looks set. 21 Feb. Can someone who is able to edit the proposal page, please update it with that date? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:55, 9 January 2013 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:Public_(2013-01-06)&diff=8821Meeting talk:Public (2013-01-06)2013-01-05T23:31:19Z<p>Leighblackall: </p>
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<div>==Public meeting==<br />
I intend to attend the public meeting. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 22:07, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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I intend to attend also. Why is the list of attendees on facebook and not on our wiki? I do not have a facebook account and do not intend to get one. --[[User:Bduke|Bduke]] 17:14, 22 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've started listing attendees on the meeting page.<br />
:The facebook page is an optional communication mechanism; it allows anyone to easily invite themselves or other people. Some members dont have wmau wiki accounts, but do have facebook accounts. Some non-members in the community don't subscribe to wikimediaau-l or watch [[w:WP:AUSN]]. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 12:37, 24 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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==Organisation membership==<br />
I'm at the pub meeting early, and unfortunately I have to leave early :) family matters have come up. So while I wait I thought I'd type up a rough idea I was hoping to discuss somehow. I'm on a mobile, so apologies for typos.<br />
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My interface with WMAu has almost entirely through my places of work: universities, and similar such edu orgs. In that work, I try to initiate and support the development of open education and research practices.<br />
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Recently, another wave of mainstream interest in open ed and research has entered the education space, mostly on the back of MOOCs. <br />
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So, when an educational organisation takes an interest in open practices, they quickly realise the quagmire of copyright, bandwidth, format and ROI. This is the point at which I recommend using the Wikimedia project spaces. It is initially a hard sell, but ssems to be gainjng traction.<br />
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I'm wondering if WMAu can position to offer orgs and institutions the support to go large. Timely, because commercial ventures like Pearsons Pubblishers and quite a few others areare entering the space. Aust edu orgs dont have the experience, expertise, social capital, copyright management resources that WMAu has, and has access to. WMAu has a value that somehow needs to be realised.. I think that is partly brokering services through "corporate membership"... that's all I can type on this phone, I hope this idea has synergy with some other long term plan [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 10:31, 6 January 2013 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8813Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132013-01-04T00:25:25Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Date change */</p>
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<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
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Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
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#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
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I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for clarifying these points Leigh. On further reflection, and given what we've done at similar events, the budget seems reasonable to me now. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:18, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
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== A couple of comments==<br />
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* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
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If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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== Some comments ==<br />
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This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for those responses Leigh. Regards, [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 15:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
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We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
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:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::We've got quite a few people (such as Chris) who have participated in our regional development workshops, I'm quite sure that finding a trainer won't be an issue. I'd even potentially be interested in bringing a local (meaning Victorian) along in addition to an experienced trainer to learn the ropes with a view to having someone in the area available for future workshops. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:16, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
:::::Excellent suggestion Lankiveil! No better way to learn how to teach then through observation and assistance of others I reckon. If you know people in Victoria, please let them know. We're looking like moving the date to the second week of Feb now, to give some time for promotions, and I'll try and get an attendance list up here on the wiki so we know how many people we may be helping. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 19:07, 23 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::::I've notified Peterdownunder at [[w:simple:User talk:Peterdownunder]]. If this proposal is approved (at the Jan 5? board meeting), another email calling for trainers should be sent to the public mailing list, and active people in [[w:Category:Wikipedians in Victoria]] should be notified on their talk page. Especially, [https://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wikipedians+in+Victoria&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Wikipedians+interested+in+medicine&tagdeep=5&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en these 11 people]] in Victoria have an interest in medicine (and most are medical students, nurses, doctors, etc.) --[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 13:24, 24 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Date change==<br />
We're changing the date to 13 Feb, at this stage. <br />
<br />
I'm not able to edit the proposal, anyone know why?<br />
<br />
What comes next? Has the proposal been accepted?<br />
<br />
[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:07, 2 January 2013 (EST)<br />
:As you are not a member, you're editing on the wiki is restricted. See [[Proposal:Non-member participation]].<br />
:Your proposal will be voted on by the committee on Saturday at our board meeting. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 14:49, 3 January 2013 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: I see, thanks for updating it for me John. Once we hold this workshop, and get a few more staff here interested in using the Wikis in their work, I will suggest that the faculty buy a rolling membership with WMAu.. we might revisit the idea of organisational membership on Sunday?<br />
:: Because editing on WMAu is not possible for non members, I will move the workshop website to Outreach, as we did for the Tasmania workshops, and start out from there - if Chris is comfy with that method. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 11:25, 4 January 2013 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8803Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132013-01-02T02:07:34Z<p>Leighblackall: </p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for clarifying these points Leigh. On further reflection, and given what we've done at similar events, the budget seems reasonable to me now. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:18, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for those responses Leigh. Regards, [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 15:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::We've got quite a few people (such as Chris) who have participated in our regional development workshops, I'm quite sure that finding a trainer won't be an issue. I'd even potentially be interested in bringing a local (meaning Victorian) along in addition to an experienced trainer to learn the ropes with a view to having someone in the area available for future workshops. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:16, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
:::::Excellent suggestion Lankiveil! No better way to learn how to teach then through observation and assistance of others I reckon. If you know people in Victoria, please let them know. We're looking like moving the date to the second week of Feb now, to give some time for promotions, and I'll try and get an attendance list up here on the wiki so we know how many people we may be helping. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 19:07, 23 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::::I've notified Peterdownunder at [[w:simple:User talk:Peterdownunder]]. If this proposal is approved (at the Jan 5? board meeting), another email calling for trainers should be sent to the public mailing list, and active people in [[w:Category:Wikipedians in Victoria]] should be notified on their talk page. Especially, [https://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wikipedians+in+Victoria&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Wikipedians+interested+in+medicine&tagdeep=5&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en these 11 people]] in Victoria have an interest in medicine (and most are medical students, nurses, doctors, etc.) --[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 13:24, 24 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Date change==<br />
We're changing the date to 13 Feb, at this stage. <br />
<br />
I'm not able to edit the proposal, anyone know why?<br />
<br />
What comes next? Has the proposal been accepted?<br />
<br />
[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:07, 2 January 2013 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8741Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-23T08:07:53Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Need to pin down the trainer */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::Thanks for clarifying these points Leigh. On further reflection, and given what we've done at similar events, the budget seems reasonable to me now. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:18, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for those responses Leigh. Regards, [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 15:28, 21 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::::We've got quite a few people (such as Chris) who have participated in our regional development workshops, I'm quite sure that finding a trainer won't be an issue. I'd even potentially be interested in bringing a local (meaning Victorian) along in addition to an experienced trainer to learn the ropes with a view to having someone in the area available for future workshops. [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 00:16, 21 December 2012 (EST).<br />
<br />
:::::Excellent suggestion Lankiveil! No better way to learn how to teach then through observation and assistance of others I reckon. If you know people in Victoria, please let them know. We're looking like moving the date to the second week of Feb now, to give some time for promotions, and I'll try and get an attendance list up here on the wiki so we know how many people we may be helping. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 19:07, 23 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:Public_(2013-01-06)&diff=8705Meeting talk:Public (2013-01-06)2012-12-21T11:07:54Z<p>Leighblackall: Created page with "==Public meeting== I intend to attend the public meeting. ~~~~"</p>
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<div>==Public meeting==<br />
I intend to attend the public meeting. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 22:07, 21 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8663Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-20T10:37:46Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Can we get a second? */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::::Thanks everyone. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8661Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-20T10:37:23Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Need to pin down the trainer */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
::I'm happy to be a support person, as I was with John Vandenberg for the SLQ trainings in N Qld. I can make the time for the sessions, but not for the prep I'd require to lead them. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:12, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Many thanks Chris. It will be great to have you there, and I'm hoping this will turn into a regular thing. The people out at Bendigo are quite interested in developing skills for the wikis. I'll be in touch as soon as it firms up [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 21:37, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:I've seconded it to help keep things ticking over. It is a very good proposal, so I'm very happy to do so. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 16:22, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::We also need a 'firster' as Leigh isnt a financial member at the moment. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 16:23, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::I've moved (firsted?) the proposal. I like the proposal, but I'll leave the funding details to the committee. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 17:57, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:::The template says I've initiated it - just for clarity, I'm intending to move the proposal, but haven't played any part in developing it. --[[User:Chris Watkins|Chris Watkins]] 18:13, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::::I've [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Template:Proposal&diff=8647&oldid=8611 fixed] the template. Thanks for picking that up. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 18:27, 20 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8621Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-20T04:15:22Z<p>Leighblackall: </p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.<br />
<br />
== Can we get a second? ==<br />
Folks, if my responses are satisfactory, it would be good to be able to confirm WMAu's support or not as soon as possible, so we can confirm our actions through January. Is there anyone prepared to second this proposal? Please see instructions on the proposal's top [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:15, 20 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8619Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-20T04:10:21Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Need to pin down the trainer */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
==Need to pin down the trainer==<br />
<br />
We need to pin down who is the trainer given that the main cost here is linked to the travel and hence the location of the trainer. Holding the event on a week day is likely to limit the number of folk available to act as a trainer. I also concur with the earlier comment about not trying to cover too much in one day. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 17:26, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:Can you assist us in finding a trainer Kerry? I only know a couple of people inside Wikimedia Austraila with some experience and expertise. I am prepared to step in if we can't find one. It would be a shame to suspend approval of our application pending finding a trainer. Is my suggestion to divert funds from the trainer if we can't find one, into the suport resources like a PediaPress book, not acceptable? If we delay a decision too long, I won't be able to order PediaPress manuals in on time. If we don't get a trainer, and if I can't order PediaPress manuals in time, then this proposal becomes for catering only. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 15:10, 20 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Looks good ==<br />
<br />
I don't have anything to add beyond what has been said - but it looks good, and I'm glad to discover the resources (e.g. Ten Simple Rules) you've linked here.</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8583Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-17T05:36:57Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Some comments */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. <br />
:#I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:#Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:#Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8581Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-17T05:36:08Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Some comments */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Nick-D. I adjusted the budget using the ATOs travel rates. I couldn't see flights in there - nor do I know where we might fly a trainer in from, if we even do. Naturally, any unspent portion of this proposed budget would be returned. If for example, we find a suitable trainer in Melbourne - which is most likely, then we would ask to boost up the printing budget and order in a small PediaPress training manual (30 copies at $10 each) for example, and to offer a small amount of pay to the trainer (if it is not me or anyone else in La Trobe).<br />
:Is January the best time? For the primary target group, yes it is. Bendigo Community Health Services nominated late January, and that is probably the better time for La Trobe Health Faculty. In saying that, one of our primary organisers is on leave and not back until Jan 3. If we aren't able to secure a venue through her before then, then we would push it back into February.<br />
:Facilitator/trainer cost.. at this stage we're going into this with the hope of finding a local trainer, and therefore reducing the travel and accommodation costs so as we can offer them a small amount for their time (what would be an approporiate amount in the eyes of WMAu if that was the case?) If we can't find someone, then I will run the workshop as an in-kind sponsorship from La Trobe, and use some of the travel and accom budget in the printing, returning the rest to WMAu. <br />
:[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 16:36, 17 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8579Proposal:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-17T05:29:00Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Budget */ adjusted after using ATO estimates and Flight Centre estimates. As per Nick-Ds suggestion in discussion page</p>
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<div>{{proposal|member1=?}}<br />
This is a proposal to Wikimedia Australia, under the [[Proposal:Regional WikiAcademy program|Wiki Academy Program]], to help La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences host a small Wikipedia editing workshop in Bendigo, Victoria in January 2013. We are targeting health information professionals across the region, open to other information community groups as well (regional historic societies, librarians and the like). <br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) will be providing the venue, and sending staff along to consider educational use of the wiki projects. Bendigo Community Health Services will be assisting with promotion and sending staff along to consider ways in which they can with La Trobe staff and students to help maintain health information relevant to regional Victorians. <br />
<br />
We need support from Wikimedia Australia for catering and a trainer.<br />
<br />
==Details==<br />
15 January 2013 (TBC)<br />
22 January 2013 (Optional extra)<br />
<br />
9am to 4pm<br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) venue TBA<br />
<br />
Attendance is free and lunch with morning and afternoon tea will be provided<br />
<br />
Wikimedia Australia, Bendigo Community Health Services, and La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences is hosting two free Wikipedia editing training days for people who have knowledge an interest in local health information, community history and other regional Victoria related information should attend this day. You will gain in-depth knowledge on how Wikipedia and its related projects work, and start contributing to the creation and maintenance of information on these important reference resources. Numbers are limited to 30, so register your interest as soon as you can.<br />
<br />
*930-10 Introductions<br />
*10-10:30 Create a wiki userpage<br />
*10:30-11 Morning tea<br />
*11-12 Review user pages, and copy to Wikipedia<br />
*12-1230 Use talk pages<br />
*1230-1 Lunch<br />
*1-2 Create a sandpit page, try formatting<br />
*2-230 Upload and or use images on Commons<br />
*230-3 Afternoon tea<br />
*3-4 Edit a Wikipedia page<br />
<br />
<br />
'''Please note''' that there is an opportunity for more focused and advanced sessions on the second training day. This day is pending numbers and open to people who attend the introductory first day, or who already have skills and knowledge on the workings of Wikipedia, who want to work on a specific project with the support of the facilitator. Please indicate your interest in attending the second day.<br />
<br />
==Participants==<br />
<br />
Please list your name and association if you are participating:<br />
<br />
#[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 14:52, 4 December 2012 (EST) - La Trobe University<br />
# Deborah Mellor - Bendigo Community Health Services<br />
# Mandy Kenny - La Trobe University<br />
<br />
<br />
==Budget==<br />
<br />
* $857 Trainer (289.25=1 night accommodation, meals and incidentals/$567.95=flights from Brisbane for example)<br />
* $300 catering (@ $10 per head)<br />
* $100 printing (Nominal estimate, with an idea to order a PediaPress help manual for each person, if budget allows)<br />
* '''TOTAL $1257.20'''<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Kingston_Tasmania Kingston Tasmania training day]<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Hobart_VET Hobart Tasmania training day]<br />
<br />
==Introducing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User Name !! Nice People !! Edit Button !! Nice Feeling<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Wikipedia_User_Name_MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Nice People MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center|thumbtime=40]] || [[File:Edit Button.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Great Feeling.ogv|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This video shows some of Wikipedia's contributors, explaining their user names. || This video focuses on the motivations and passion of Wikipedians, and ends with a comment by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales about what makes the project special. || This video is a direct invitation by Wikipedians to "click that [edit] button and see what happens". || In this video, Wikipedians talk about the joy of being part of a global community of editors.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
*'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI Why Wikipedians are the Weirdest People on the Internet]''' (YouTube) – a humorous presentation by Wikipedian Steven Walling about the culture of Wikipedia and its editors.<br />
*'''[http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html Wikipedia Vision]''' – an animated map that highlights live edits from users around the world as they happen, demonstrating the global nature of the project.<br />
*'''[http://wikistream.inkdroid.org/ wikistream]''' – a visualization showing a stream of edits to the most popular Wikipedia projects.<br />
*'''[irc://irc.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia Live feed of all edits]''' – a feed that outputs every new change to English Wikipedia, demonstrating the pace of Wikipedia's evolution: 1–2 edits per second. Requires an IRC client to view.<br />
*'''[http://stats.grok.se/ Wikipedia article traffic statistics]''' – a tool for charting how many hits any given article gets, great for comparing different kinds of articles at different times, e.g., [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Genetics Genetics (in the school year)] vs. [http://stats.grok.se/en/200908/Genetics (in the summer)], or [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Youtube YouTube (with weekend spikes)] and [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Simpsons Simpsons (with spikes when new episodes come out)]. Students can also use it to see how many people are reading their articles over the course of the class (and beyond).<br />
*'''[http://www.manypedia.com Manypedia]''' - a tool for comparing a specific Wikipedia page from a language edition Wikipedia (for example, English) with its equivalent page on another language edition Wikipedia (for example, Arabic), exploiting automatic translation and additional statistics about both pages such as number of edits and editors.<br />
*'''[http://sonetlab.fbk.eu/wikitrip/ WikiTrip]''' - a tool for visualizing the animated evolution in time of two kinds of information about the Wikipedians who edited the selected page: their location in the world and their gender.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Welcome to Wikipedia !! Ten Simple Rules !! Introduction to free licenses !! Evaluating Wikipedia article quality<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Welcome2WP English 082310.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Introduction to free licenses 2010-11-27 (web).pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Evaluating Wikipedia article quality 2010-11-26 (web).pdf|150px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This 17-page guide covers creating a user account, editing basics, communication, and how articles evolve and are evaluated, and includes a quick reference to help you to remember frequently used wiki markup. || This editorial from ''PLoS Computation Biology'' focuses on how to contribute effectively as an expert, and is great for setting expectations before students begin editing. || This brochure helps you understand the basic concepts of free licenses, as well as terms like "CC-by-SA" and "public domain". || This reference guide covers specific steps you can take to get the most out of Wikipedia, as well as a look at how its quality system works.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Mechanics of editing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
These printable PDF documents are designed to be handed out to students, either as part of a packet at the beginning of a Wikipedia assignment, or throughout the term at appropriate points.<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:Welcome2WP English Flap 081810.pdf|Wiki markup quick reference]]''' – This one-page quick reference (included in the ''Welcome to Wikipedia'' brochure) helps you to remember the most frequently used wiki markup codes.<br />
*'''[[:File:WikipediaReferencing.pdf|References]]''' – This handout explains why references are important, what the expectations for sourcing on Wikipedia are, where to place references, and the basics of adding "ref" tags.<br />
*'''[[:File:RefCodeHandout.pdf|Reference formatting]]''' – This handout explains in more detail how to create footnotes for citing sources, and how to cite the same source multiple times.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - How to get help.pdf|How to get help]]''' – explains the recommended way to get help and feedback for classes supported by Wikipedia Ambassadors: by posting on their course talk page and notifying their mentor. It also includes a glossary of additional help resources students might use.<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Starting a sandbox article !! Basic editing: bold and links !! How to use a watchlist !! How to use talk pages<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Tutorial on starting a sandbox article on Wikipedia.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Boldness and links tutorial.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - watchlists.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Talk pages.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to start an a sandbox page to play around with wiki markup or start an article draft (''2m 11s'') || How to use the most basic features of wiki markup to create bold text and links to other pages (''3m 37s'') || How to use a watchlist to keep track of pages you are interested in or have edited (''2m 10s'') || How to interact with other editors using talk pages, including article talk pages and user talk pages (''2m 30s)<br />
|}<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Basic editing: citing sources !! Citing sources with RefToobar !! Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_1.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_2.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to add citations using "ref" tags (''2m 3s'') || How to use the 'Cite' tool for inserting automatically formatted references (''2m 24s'') || Uploading files such as images to Wikimedia Commons, using the upload wizard (''2 min 48 sec'')<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Writing articles==<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it. Hand this one out twice. <br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - moving out of your sandbox.pdf|Moving out of your sandbox]]''' – walks through how to move an article draft from a userpage sandbox into Wikipedia.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - Submitting an article to the Did You Know process.pdf|Submitting an article to the Did You Know process]]''' – walks through how to submit a new or newly expanded article to the Did You Know process so that it will appear on the Main Page.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Article creation !! Article improvement !! Article assessments !! Article evolution<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:How to create a Wikipedia article - Right to science and culture.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleimprovement.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleassessments.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleevolution.ogg|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| A demonstration, recorded live, of how to create a Wikipedia article (''7 min 50 sec'') || A look at how to assess the shortcomings of an article and improve it (''4m 22s'') || An exploration of the standard article assessment system, with examples of each quality level (''11m 30s'') || A trip through the history of an article, from humble beginnings to Good Article status (''6m 25s'')<br />
|}<br />
[[Category:Events]]<br />
[[Category:Australia]]<br />
[[Category:Wikimedia Australia]]</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8575Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-17T02:19:40Z<p>Leighblackall: /* Are you going to be there anyway? */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::No worries for me Gnangarra. I imagine that if we can bring in an external trainer on the first day, I could step in and cover the 2nd. It all depends if we can find a trainer. If not, then it'll be me, and the travel and accommodation could be foregone and directed to something else, like PediaPress help manuals for each person, if that wasn't too much? [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:19, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8573Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-17T02:17:24Z<p>Leighblackall: /* A couple of comments */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:Thanks for these suggestions Gnangarra, and sorry for my delay in responding. Depending on who delivers the workshop would determine whether accommodation is necessary. Our main aim is to find an experienced and engaging trainer, who can manage up to 30 people over a full day. I'm used to that, but I'd prefer to bring someone else in. In my own experience, it is possible to get an image on the Commons, but it can vary depending on the dynamics of the group. I usually focus on starting with people's user pages. Once we've structured the page with sections, we add links to help resources like the Cheat Sheet. Then, and only if there's time, I take photos of people or objects and load them to Flickr, where everyone goes to check the license and copy the image to Commons, and then place them on the pages. I usually do this not as one big group, but with the people who advance more quickly - while the others are on other tasks, and then they teach the others. It worked will in Tasmania, but I fully hear your point, and with 30.. will probably not be possible. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:17, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal_talk:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8571Proposal talk:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-17T02:08:16Z<p>Leighblackall: /* A few basic questions */</p>
<hr />
<div>== A few basic questions ==<br />
<br />
Leigh, thanks for putting this idea forward. A couple of quick questions that come to mind: <br />
<br />
#I assume that you would be the "trainer" mentioned?<br />
#Can you summarise any relationship you might have with La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences, to make sure there's no improper COI here?<br />
<br />
I must confess that $1100 seems a bit steep for a "small Wikipedia editing workshop", but I'm open to being convinced otherwise! [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 21:19, 6 December 2012 (EST).<br />
:Just for comparison, and for other members' benefit - the two workshops in Hobart earlier this year totalled $2300, of which WMAU contributed $1700. -- [[User:Chuq|Chuq]] 22:50, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
::Thanks for that - my impression is that the budget isn't unreasonable, but it would be good to know how it was developed (which is relevant to addressing the WMF's concerns about the accountability of WPAU's expenditure). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 18:59, 10 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:It's not really a fair comparison, but since we're tabulating: the SLNSW training days cost about 2x3 trainer's lunches, which were paid by the SLNSW, and they provided participant's time, photocopying, rooms, computers, and connectivity. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 21:48, 14 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::Hi everyone, sincere apologies for my late response! I was half expecting questions to get relayed by email. What was I thinking!<br />
:::Firstly, I work for the Faculty of Health Sciences, at La Trobe University - I would personally prefer not to give the workshop. I'm their educational designer, and in that role I'm trying to encourage the use of the Wikimedia Projects for education, research and community engagement. Getting a workshop happening is partly about linking up WikimediaAu's mission, with parts of the University's mission, and raising awareness in both circles of the opportunities in open educational practices. It is also partly an effort to establish real-people relationships around this idea. Hopefully, someone locally, and with experience, can take on the workshop. I've done a lot of workshops in my time, and could support that person. <br />
:::Hopefully the budget reflects some realism in paying for the travel and expenses for that person to come to Bendigo, and/or Victoria if need be. We're aiming for 30 people, and budgeting a lunch with morning and afternoon tea at $10 per head. Printing was probably going to posters and PediaPress books.. Not sure yet. What isn't spent would be returned of course. [[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 13:08, 17 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== A couple of comments==<br />
<br />
* Overnight in Bendigo is it necessary and the course times 0900 - 16:00 its only 160-170km between campasses Melb-Bendigo, which is less than two hours on the Calder Highway<br />
* IMHO I think including a commons uploading session is too much information in one day especially as the works to be uploaded are more likely made by third parties which can get into some complex licensing, permission issues and if they include people with medical issues personality rights and privacy permissions. I think you be better served focusing solely on editing, sourcing formatting WP articles etc. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:59, 7 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Are you going to be there anyway? ==<br />
<br />
If the optional extra is a week later, does that imply you are going to be in Bendigo for the whole week? Does that mean you are there on other business anyway? If so, I'd prefer that WMAU not fund travel. PS I'd rather not make you answer such questions in public, this is the kind of thing that could go to a private mailing list. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 14:25, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
:genric answrs are ok but I agree individual circumstances ahouldnt be discussed/revealled here [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:06, 9 December 2012 (EST)<br />
<br />
== Some comments ==<br />
<br />
This proposal looks to have a lot of merit, but I have three comments on it:<br />
#It would be helpful if a breakdown of how the $700 trainer travel and $300 catering figures were developed was posted (I presume that the budget figures have been deliberately set at estimates of the highest feasible cost, and the actual expenditure to be reimbursed by WMAU is likely to be somewhat lower). It might be helpful to reference the ATO's [http://law.ato.gov.au/atolaw/view.htm?Docid=TXD/TD201217/NAT/ATO/00001&PiT=99991231235958 travel rates], which are widely used as a benchmark for travel and accommodation expenses, or another set of comparable figures.<br />
#Is January the best time to run this workshop? Given that this is when many people are on leave you might get a better turnout in February or March.<br />
#The budgets for the previous workshops in Tasmania included a line item for the facilitator (which was paid by the sponsoring organisations in each case). Should that be added to this proposal, or will there be no facilitation expenses for this workshop? (eg, if you're running this, are you volunteering your time? - which I guess impacts on comment 2 above!). [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 17:26, 9 December 2012 (EST)</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8213Proposal:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-05T01:34:41Z<p>Leighblackall: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{proposal|member1=?}}<br />
This is a proposal to Wikimedia Australia, under the [[Proposal:Regional WikiAcademy program|Wiki Academy Program]], to help La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences host a small Wikipedia editing workshop in Bendigo, Victoria in January 2013. We are targeting health information professionals across the region, open to other information community groups as well (regional historic societies, librarians and the like). <br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) will be providing the venue, and sending staff along to consider educational use of the wiki projects. Bendigo Community Health Services will be assisting with promotion and sending staff along to consider ways in which they can with La Trobe staff and students to help maintain health information relevant to regional Victorians. <br />
<br />
We need support from Wikimedia Australia for catering and a trainer.<br />
<br />
==Details==<br />
15 January 2013 (TBC)<br />
22 January 2013 (Optional extra)<br />
<br />
9am to 4pm<br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) venue TBA<br />
<br />
Attendance is free and lunch with morning and afternoon tea will be provided<br />
<br />
Wikimedia Australia, Bendigo Community Health Services, and La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences is hosting two free Wikipedia editing training days for people who have knowledge an interest in local health information, community history and other regional Victoria related information should attend this day. You will gain in-depth knowledge on how Wikipedia and its related projects work, and start contributing to the creation and maintenance of information on these important reference resources. Numbers are limited to 30, so register your interest as soon as you can.<br />
<br />
*930-10 Introductions<br />
*10-10:30 Create a wiki userpage<br />
*10:30-11 Morning tea<br />
*11-12 Review user pages, and copy to Wikipedia<br />
*12-1230 Use talk pages<br />
*1230-1 Lunch<br />
*1-2 Create a sandpit page, try formatting<br />
*2-230 Upload and or use images on Commons<br />
*230-3 Afternoon tea<br />
*3-4 Edit a Wikipedia page<br />
<br />
<br />
'''Please note''' that there is an opportunity for more focused and advanced sessions on the second training day. This day is pending numbers and open to people who attend the introductory first day, or who already have skills and knowledge on the workings of Wikipedia, who want to work on a specific project with the support of the facilitator. Please indicate your interest in attending the second day.<br />
<br />
==Participants==<br />
<br />
Please list your name and association if you are participating:<br />
<br />
#[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 14:52, 4 December 2012 (EST) - La Trobe University<br />
# Deborah Mellor - Bendigo Community Health Services<br />
# Mandy Kenny - La Trobe University<br />
<br />
<br />
==Budget==<br />
<br />
* $700 Trainer travel and 1 night accommodation and expenses<br />
* $300 catering<br />
* $100 printing<br />
* '''TOTAL $1100'''<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Kingston_Tasmania Kingston Tasmania training day]<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Hobart_VET Hobart Tasmania training day]<br />
<br />
==Introducing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User Name !! Nice People !! Edit Button !! Nice Feeling<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Wikipedia_User_Name_MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Nice People MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center|thumbtime=40]] || [[File:Edit Button.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Great Feeling.ogv|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This video shows some of Wikipedia's contributors, explaining their user names. || This video focuses on the motivations and passion of Wikipedians, and ends with a comment by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales about what makes the project special. || This video is a direct invitation by Wikipedians to "click that [edit] button and see what happens". || In this video, Wikipedians talk about the joy of being part of a global community of editors.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
*'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI Why Wikipedians are the Weirdest People on the Internet]''' (YouTube) – a humorous presentation by Wikipedian Steven Walling about the culture of Wikipedia and its editors.<br />
*'''[http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html Wikipedia Vision]''' – an animated map that highlights live edits from users around the world as they happen, demonstrating the global nature of the project.<br />
*'''[http://wikistream.inkdroid.org/ wikistream]''' – a visualization showing a stream of edits to the most popular Wikipedia projects.<br />
*'''[irc://irc.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia Live feed of all edits]''' – a feed that outputs every new change to English Wikipedia, demonstrating the pace of Wikipedia's evolution: 1–2 edits per second. Requires an IRC client to view.<br />
*'''[http://stats.grok.se/ Wikipedia article traffic statistics]''' – a tool for charting how many hits any given article gets, great for comparing different kinds of articles at different times, e.g., [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Genetics Genetics (in the school year)] vs. [http://stats.grok.se/en/200908/Genetics (in the summer)], or [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Youtube YouTube (with weekend spikes)] and [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Simpsons Simpsons (with spikes when new episodes come out)]. Students can also use it to see how many people are reading their articles over the course of the class (and beyond).<br />
*'''[http://www.manypedia.com Manypedia]''' - a tool for comparing a specific Wikipedia page from a language edition Wikipedia (for example, English) with its equivalent page on another language edition Wikipedia (for example, Arabic), exploiting automatic translation and additional statistics about both pages such as number of edits and editors.<br />
*'''[http://sonetlab.fbk.eu/wikitrip/ WikiTrip]''' - a tool for visualizing the animated evolution in time of two kinds of information about the Wikipedians who edited the selected page: their location in the world and their gender.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Welcome to Wikipedia !! Ten Simple Rules !! Introduction to free licenses !! Evaluating Wikipedia article quality<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Welcome2WP English 082310.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Introduction to free licenses 2010-11-27 (web).pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Evaluating Wikipedia article quality 2010-11-26 (web).pdf|150px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This 17-page guide covers creating a user account, editing basics, communication, and how articles evolve and are evaluated, and includes a quick reference to help you to remember frequently used wiki markup. || This editorial from ''PLoS Computation Biology'' focuses on how to contribute effectively as an expert, and is great for setting expectations before students begin editing. || This brochure helps you understand the basic concepts of free licenses, as well as terms like "CC-by-SA" and "public domain". || This reference guide covers specific steps you can take to get the most out of Wikipedia, as well as a look at how its quality system works.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Mechanics of editing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
These printable PDF documents are designed to be handed out to students, either as part of a packet at the beginning of a Wikipedia assignment, or throughout the term at appropriate points.<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:Welcome2WP English Flap 081810.pdf|Wiki markup quick reference]]''' – This one-page quick reference (included in the ''Welcome to Wikipedia'' brochure) helps you to remember the most frequently used wiki markup codes.<br />
*'''[[:File:WikipediaReferencing.pdf|References]]''' – This handout explains why references are important, what the expectations for sourcing on Wikipedia are, where to place references, and the basics of adding "ref" tags.<br />
*'''[[:File:RefCodeHandout.pdf|Reference formatting]]''' – This handout explains in more detail how to create footnotes for citing sources, and how to cite the same source multiple times.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - How to get help.pdf|How to get help]]''' – explains the recommended way to get help and feedback for classes supported by Wikipedia Ambassadors: by posting on their course talk page and notifying their mentor. It also includes a glossary of additional help resources students might use.<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Starting a sandbox article !! Basic editing: bold and links !! How to use a watchlist !! How to use talk pages<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Tutorial on starting a sandbox article on Wikipedia.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Boldness and links tutorial.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - watchlists.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Talk pages.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to start an a sandbox page to play around with wiki markup or start an article draft (''2m 11s'') || How to use the most basic features of wiki markup to create bold text and links to other pages (''3m 37s'') || How to use a watchlist to keep track of pages you are interested in or have edited (''2m 10s'') || How to interact with other editors using talk pages, including article talk pages and user talk pages (''2m 30s)<br />
|}<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Basic editing: citing sources !! Citing sources with RefToobar !! Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_1.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_2.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to add citations using "ref" tags (''2m 3s'') || How to use the 'Cite' tool for inserting automatically formatted references (''2m 24s'') || Uploading files such as images to Wikimedia Commons, using the upload wizard (''2 min 48 sec'')<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Writing articles==<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it. Hand this one out twice. <br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - moving out of your sandbox.pdf|Moving out of your sandbox]]''' – walks through how to move an article draft from a userpage sandbox into Wikipedia.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - Submitting an article to the Did You Know process.pdf|Submitting an article to the Did You Know process]]''' – walks through how to submit a new or newly expanded article to the Did You Know process so that it will appear on the Main Page.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Article creation !! Article improvement !! Article assessments !! Article evolution<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:How to create a Wikipedia article - Right to science and culture.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleimprovement.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleassessments.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleevolution.ogg|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| A demonstration, recorded live, of how to create a Wikipedia article (''7 min 50 sec'') || A look at how to assess the shortcomings of an article and improve it (''4m 22s'') || An exploration of the standard article assessment system, with examples of each quality level (''11m 30s'') || A trip through the history of an article, from humble beginnings to Good Article status (''6m 25s'')<br />
|}<br />
[[Category:Events]]<br />
[[Category:Australia]]<br />
[[Category:Wikimedia Australia]]</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8205Proposal:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-04T23:08:37Z<p>Leighblackall: </p>
<hr />
<div>This is a proposal to Wikimedia Australia, under the [[Proposal:Regional WikiAcademy program|Wiki Academy Program]], to help La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences host a small Wikipedia editing workshop in Bendigo, Victoria in January 2013. We are targeting health information professionals across the region, open to other information community groups as well (regional historic societies, librarians and the like). <br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) will be providing the venue, and Bendigo Community Health Services will be assisting with promotion and sending key staff along to the workshop, and to consider ways in which they can help maintain health information relevant to regional Victorians. La Trobe University Faculty of Health Sciences academic staff will be attending, looking for deeper knowledge of Wikipedia and the related projects, to incorporate their use in teaching and research work. We need support from Wikimedia Australia for catering and a trainer.<br />
<br />
==Details==<br />
15 January 2013 (TBC)<br />
22 January 2013 (Optional extra)<br />
<br />
9am to 4pm<br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) venue TBA<br />
<br />
Attendance is free and lunch with morning and afternoon tea will be provided<br />
<br />
Wikimedia Australia, Bendigo Community Health Services, and La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences is hosting two free Wikipedia editing training days for people who have knowledge an interest in local health information, community history and other regional Victoria related information should attend this day. You will gain in-depth knowledge on how Wikipedia and its related projects work, and start contributing to the creation and maintenance of information on these important reference resources. Numbers are limited to 30, so register your interest as soon as you can.<br />
<br />
*930-10 Introductions<br />
*10-10:30 Create a wiki userpage<br />
*10:30-11 Morning tea<br />
*11-12 Review user pages, and copy to Wikipedia<br />
*12-1230 Use talk pages<br />
*1230-1 Lunch<br />
*1-2 Create a sandpit page, try formatting<br />
*2-230 Upload and or use images on Commons<br />
*230-3 Afternoon tea<br />
*3-4 Edit a Wikipedia page<br />
<br />
<br />
'''Please note''' that there is an opportunity for more focused and advanced sessions on the second training day. This day is pending numbers and open to people who attend the introductory first day, or who already have skills and knowledge on the workings of Wikipedia, who want to work on a specific project with the support of the facilitator. Please indicate your interest in attending the second day.<br />
<br />
==Participants==<br />
<br />
Please list your name and association if you are participating:<br />
<br />
#[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 14:52, 4 December 2012 (EST) - La Trobe University<br />
# Deborah Mellor - Bendigo Community Health Services<br />
# Mandy Kenny - La Trobe University<br />
<br />
<br />
==Budget==<br />
<br />
* $700 Trainer travel and 1 night accommodation and expenses<br />
* $300 catering<br />
* $100 printing<br />
* '''TOTAL $1100'''<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Kingston_Tasmania Kingston Tasmania training day]<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Hobart_VET Hobart Tasmania training day]<br />
<br />
==Introducing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User Name !! Nice People !! Edit Button !! Nice Feeling<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Wikipedia_User_Name_MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Nice People MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center|thumbtime=40]] || [[File:Edit Button.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Great Feeling.ogv|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This video shows some of Wikipedia's contributors, explaining their user names. || This video focuses on the motivations and passion of Wikipedians, and ends with a comment by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales about what makes the project special. || This video is a direct invitation by Wikipedians to "click that [edit] button and see what happens". || In this video, Wikipedians talk about the joy of being part of a global community of editors.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
*'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI Why Wikipedians are the Weirdest People on the Internet]''' (YouTube) – a humorous presentation by Wikipedian Steven Walling about the culture of Wikipedia and its editors.<br />
*'''[http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html Wikipedia Vision]''' – an animated map that highlights live edits from users around the world as they happen, demonstrating the global nature of the project.<br />
*'''[http://wikistream.inkdroid.org/ wikistream]''' – a visualization showing a stream of edits to the most popular Wikipedia projects.<br />
*'''[irc://irc.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia Live feed of all edits]''' – a feed that outputs every new change to English Wikipedia, demonstrating the pace of Wikipedia's evolution: 1–2 edits per second. Requires an IRC client to view.<br />
*'''[http://stats.grok.se/ Wikipedia article traffic statistics]''' – a tool for charting how many hits any given article gets, great for comparing different kinds of articles at different times, e.g., [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Genetics Genetics (in the school year)] vs. [http://stats.grok.se/en/200908/Genetics (in the summer)], or [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Youtube YouTube (with weekend spikes)] and [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Simpsons Simpsons (with spikes when new episodes come out)]. Students can also use it to see how many people are reading their articles over the course of the class (and beyond).<br />
*'''[http://www.manypedia.com Manypedia]''' - a tool for comparing a specific Wikipedia page from a language edition Wikipedia (for example, English) with its equivalent page on another language edition Wikipedia (for example, Arabic), exploiting automatic translation and additional statistics about both pages such as number of edits and editors.<br />
*'''[http://sonetlab.fbk.eu/wikitrip/ WikiTrip]''' - a tool for visualizing the animated evolution in time of two kinds of information about the Wikipedians who edited the selected page: their location in the world and their gender.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Welcome to Wikipedia !! Ten Simple Rules !! Introduction to free licenses !! Evaluating Wikipedia article quality<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Welcome2WP English 082310.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Introduction to free licenses 2010-11-27 (web).pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Evaluating Wikipedia article quality 2010-11-26 (web).pdf|150px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This 17-page guide covers creating a user account, editing basics, communication, and how articles evolve and are evaluated, and includes a quick reference to help you to remember frequently used wiki markup. || This editorial from ''PLoS Computation Biology'' focuses on how to contribute effectively as an expert, and is great for setting expectations before students begin editing. || This brochure helps you understand the basic concepts of free licenses, as well as terms like "CC-by-SA" and "public domain". || This reference guide covers specific steps you can take to get the most out of Wikipedia, as well as a look at how its quality system works.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Mechanics of editing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
These printable PDF documents are designed to be handed out to students, either as part of a packet at the beginning of a Wikipedia assignment, or throughout the term at appropriate points.<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:Welcome2WP English Flap 081810.pdf|Wiki markup quick reference]]''' – This one-page quick reference (included in the ''Welcome to Wikipedia'' brochure) helps you to remember the most frequently used wiki markup codes.<br />
*'''[[:File:WikipediaReferencing.pdf|References]]''' – This handout explains why references are important, what the expectations for sourcing on Wikipedia are, where to place references, and the basics of adding "ref" tags.<br />
*'''[[:File:RefCodeHandout.pdf|Reference formatting]]''' – This handout explains in more detail how to create footnotes for citing sources, and how to cite the same source multiple times.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - How to get help.pdf|How to get help]]''' – explains the recommended way to get help and feedback for classes supported by Wikipedia Ambassadors: by posting on their course talk page and notifying their mentor. It also includes a glossary of additional help resources students might use.<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Starting a sandbox article !! Basic editing: bold and links !! How to use a watchlist !! How to use talk pages<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Tutorial on starting a sandbox article on Wikipedia.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Boldness and links tutorial.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - watchlists.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Talk pages.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to start an a sandbox page to play around with wiki markup or start an article draft (''2m 11s'') || How to use the most basic features of wiki markup to create bold text and links to other pages (''3m 37s'') || How to use a watchlist to keep track of pages you are interested in or have edited (''2m 10s'') || How to interact with other editors using talk pages, including article talk pages and user talk pages (''2m 30s)<br />
|}<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Basic editing: citing sources !! Citing sources with RefToobar !! Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_1.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_2.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to add citations using "ref" tags (''2m 3s'') || How to use the 'Cite' tool for inserting automatically formatted references (''2m 24s'') || Uploading files such as images to Wikimedia Commons, using the upload wizard (''2 min 48 sec'')<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Writing articles==<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it. Hand this one out twice. <br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - moving out of your sandbox.pdf|Moving out of your sandbox]]''' – walks through how to move an article draft from a userpage sandbox into Wikipedia.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - Submitting an article to the Did You Know process.pdf|Submitting an article to the Did You Know process]]''' – walks through how to submit a new or newly expanded article to the Did You Know process so that it will appear on the Main Page.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Article creation !! Article improvement !! Article assessments !! Article evolution<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:How to create a Wikipedia article - Right to science and culture.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleimprovement.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleassessments.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleevolution.ogg|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| A demonstration, recorded live, of how to create a Wikipedia article (''7 min 50 sec'') || A look at how to assess the shortcomings of an article and improve it (''4m 22s'') || An exploration of the standard article assessment system, with examples of each quality level (''11m 30s'') || A trip through the history of an article, from humble beginnings to Good Article status (''6m 25s'')<br />
|}<br />
[[Category:Events]]<br />
[[Category:Australia]]<br />
[[Category:Wikimedia Australia]]</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8203Proposal:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-04T23:07:43Z<p>Leighblackall: </p>
<hr />
<div>This is a proposal to Wikimedia Australia, under the [[Proposal:Regional_WikiAcademy_program Wiki Academy Program]], to help La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences host a small Wikipedia editing workshop in Bendigo, Victoria in January 2013. We are targeting health information professionals across the region, open to other information community groups as well (regional historic societies, librarians and the like). <br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) will be providing the venue, and Bendigo Community Health Services will be assisting with promotion and sending key staff along to the workshop, and to consider ways in which they can help maintain health information relevant to regional Victorians. La Trobe University Faculty of Health Sciences academic staff will be attending, looking for deeper knowledge of Wikipedia and the related projects, to incorporate their use in teaching and research work. We need support from Wikimedia Australia for catering and a trainer.<br />
<br />
==Details==<br />
15 January 2013 (TBC)<br />
22 January 2013 (Optional extra)<br />
<br />
9am to 4pm<br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) venue TBA<br />
<br />
Attendance is free and lunch with morning and afternoon tea will be provided<br />
<br />
Wikimedia Australia, Bendigo Community Health Services, and La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences is hosting two free Wikipedia editing training days for people who have knowledge an interest in local health information, community history and other regional Victoria related information should attend this day. You will gain in-depth knowledge on how Wikipedia and its related projects work, and start contributing to the creation and maintenance of information on these important reference resources. Numbers are limited to 30, so register your interest as soon as you can.<br />
<br />
*930-10 Introductions<br />
*10-10:30 Create a wiki userpage<br />
*10:30-11 Morning tea<br />
*11-12 Review user pages, and copy to Wikipedia<br />
*12-1230 Use talk pages<br />
*1230-1 Lunch<br />
*1-2 Create a sandpit page, try formatting<br />
*2-230 Upload and or use images on Commons<br />
*230-3 Afternoon tea<br />
*3-4 Edit a Wikipedia page<br />
<br />
<br />
'''Please note''' that there is an opportunity for more focused and advanced sessions on the second training day. This day is pending numbers and open to people who attend the introductory first day, or who already have skills and knowledge on the workings of Wikipedia, who want to work on a specific project with the support of the facilitator. Please indicate your interest in attending the second day.<br />
<br />
==Participants==<br />
<br />
Please list your name and association if you are participating:<br />
<br />
#[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 14:52, 4 December 2012 (EST) - La Trobe University<br />
# Deborah Mellor - Bendigo Community Health Services<br />
# Mandy Kenny - La Trobe University<br />
<br />
<br />
==Budget==<br />
<br />
* $700 Trainer travel and 1 night accommodation and expenses<br />
* $300 catering<br />
* $100 printing<br />
* '''TOTAL $1100'''<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Kingston_Tasmania Kingston Tasmania training day]<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Hobart_VET Hobart Tasmania training day]<br />
<br />
==Introducing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User Name !! Nice People !! Edit Button !! Nice Feeling<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Wikipedia_User_Name_MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Nice People MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center|thumbtime=40]] || [[File:Edit Button.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Great Feeling.ogv|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This video shows some of Wikipedia's contributors, explaining their user names. || This video focuses on the motivations and passion of Wikipedians, and ends with a comment by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales about what makes the project special. || This video is a direct invitation by Wikipedians to "click that [edit] button and see what happens". || In this video, Wikipedians talk about the joy of being part of a global community of editors.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
*'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI Why Wikipedians are the Weirdest People on the Internet]''' (YouTube) – a humorous presentation by Wikipedian Steven Walling about the culture of Wikipedia and its editors.<br />
*'''[http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html Wikipedia Vision]''' – an animated map that highlights live edits from users around the world as they happen, demonstrating the global nature of the project.<br />
*'''[http://wikistream.inkdroid.org/ wikistream]''' – a visualization showing a stream of edits to the most popular Wikipedia projects.<br />
*'''[irc://irc.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia Live feed of all edits]''' – a feed that outputs every new change to English Wikipedia, demonstrating the pace of Wikipedia's evolution: 1–2 edits per second. Requires an IRC client to view.<br />
*'''[http://stats.grok.se/ Wikipedia article traffic statistics]''' – a tool for charting how many hits any given article gets, great for comparing different kinds of articles at different times, e.g., [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Genetics Genetics (in the school year)] vs. [http://stats.grok.se/en/200908/Genetics (in the summer)], or [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Youtube YouTube (with weekend spikes)] and [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Simpsons Simpsons (with spikes when new episodes come out)]. Students can also use it to see how many people are reading their articles over the course of the class (and beyond).<br />
*'''[http://www.manypedia.com Manypedia]''' - a tool for comparing a specific Wikipedia page from a language edition Wikipedia (for example, English) with its equivalent page on another language edition Wikipedia (for example, Arabic), exploiting automatic translation and additional statistics about both pages such as number of edits and editors.<br />
*'''[http://sonetlab.fbk.eu/wikitrip/ WikiTrip]''' - a tool for visualizing the animated evolution in time of two kinds of information about the Wikipedians who edited the selected page: their location in the world and their gender.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Welcome to Wikipedia !! Ten Simple Rules !! Introduction to free licenses !! Evaluating Wikipedia article quality<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Welcome2WP English 082310.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Introduction to free licenses 2010-11-27 (web).pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Evaluating Wikipedia article quality 2010-11-26 (web).pdf|150px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This 17-page guide covers creating a user account, editing basics, communication, and how articles evolve and are evaluated, and includes a quick reference to help you to remember frequently used wiki markup. || This editorial from ''PLoS Computation Biology'' focuses on how to contribute effectively as an expert, and is great for setting expectations before students begin editing. || This brochure helps you understand the basic concepts of free licenses, as well as terms like "CC-by-SA" and "public domain". || This reference guide covers specific steps you can take to get the most out of Wikipedia, as well as a look at how its quality system works.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Mechanics of editing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
These printable PDF documents are designed to be handed out to students, either as part of a packet at the beginning of a Wikipedia assignment, or throughout the term at appropriate points.<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:Welcome2WP English Flap 081810.pdf|Wiki markup quick reference]]''' – This one-page quick reference (included in the ''Welcome to Wikipedia'' brochure) helps you to remember the most frequently used wiki markup codes.<br />
*'''[[:File:WikipediaReferencing.pdf|References]]''' – This handout explains why references are important, what the expectations for sourcing on Wikipedia are, where to place references, and the basics of adding "ref" tags.<br />
*'''[[:File:RefCodeHandout.pdf|Reference formatting]]''' – This handout explains in more detail how to create footnotes for citing sources, and how to cite the same source multiple times.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - How to get help.pdf|How to get help]]''' – explains the recommended way to get help and feedback for classes supported by Wikipedia Ambassadors: by posting on their course talk page and notifying their mentor. It also includes a glossary of additional help resources students might use.<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Starting a sandbox article !! Basic editing: bold and links !! How to use a watchlist !! How to use talk pages<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Tutorial on starting a sandbox article on Wikipedia.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Boldness and links tutorial.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - watchlists.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Talk pages.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to start an a sandbox page to play around with wiki markup or start an article draft (''2m 11s'') || How to use the most basic features of wiki markup to create bold text and links to other pages (''3m 37s'') || How to use a watchlist to keep track of pages you are interested in or have edited (''2m 10s'') || How to interact with other editors using talk pages, including article talk pages and user talk pages (''2m 30s)<br />
|}<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Basic editing: citing sources !! Citing sources with RefToobar !! Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_1.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_2.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to add citations using "ref" tags (''2m 3s'') || How to use the 'Cite' tool for inserting automatically formatted references (''2m 24s'') || Uploading files such as images to Wikimedia Commons, using the upload wizard (''2 min 48 sec'')<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Writing articles==<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it. Hand this one out twice. <br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - moving out of your sandbox.pdf|Moving out of your sandbox]]''' – walks through how to move an article draft from a userpage sandbox into Wikipedia.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - Submitting an article to the Did You Know process.pdf|Submitting an article to the Did You Know process]]''' – walks through how to submit a new or newly expanded article to the Did You Know process so that it will appear on the Main Page.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Article creation !! Article improvement !! Article assessments !! Article evolution<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:How to create a Wikipedia article - Right to science and culture.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleimprovement.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleassessments.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleevolution.ogg|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| A demonstration, recorded live, of how to create a Wikipedia article (''7 min 50 sec'') || A look at how to assess the shortcomings of an article and improve it (''4m 22s'') || An exploration of the standard article assessment system, with examples of each quality level (''11m 30s'') || A trip through the history of an article, from humble beginnings to Good Article status (''6m 25s'')<br />
|}<br />
[[Category:Events]]<br />
[[Category:Australia]]<br />
[[Category:Wikimedia Australia]]</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8201Proposal:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-04T23:07:01Z<p>Leighblackall: </p>
<hr />
<div>This is a proposal to Wikimedia Australia, under the [[Proposal:Regional WikiAcademy program Wiki Academy Program]], to help La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences host a small Wikipedia editing workshop in Bendigo, Victoria in January 2013. We are targeting health information professionals across the region, open to other information community groups as well (regional historic societies, librarians and the like). <br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) will be providing the venue, and Bendigo Community Health Services will be assisting with promotion and sending key staff along to the workshop, and to consider ways in which they can help maintain health information relevant to regional Victorians. La Trobe University Faculty of Health Sciences academic staff will be attending, looking for deeper knowledge of Wikipedia and the related projects, to incorporate their use in teaching and research work. We need support from Wikimedia Australia for catering and a trainer.<br />
<br />
==Details==<br />
15 January 2013 (TBC)<br />
22 January 2013 (Optional extra)<br />
<br />
9am to 4pm<br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) venue TBA<br />
<br />
Attendance is free and lunch with morning and afernoon tea will be provided<br />
<br />
Wikimedia Australia, Bendigo Community Health Services, and La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences is hosting two free Wikipedia editing training days for people who have knowledge an interest in local health information, community history and other regional Victoria related information should attend this day. You will gain in-depth knowledge on how Wikipedia and its related projects work, and start contributing to the creation and maintenance of information on these important reference resources. Numbers are limited to 30, so register your interest as soon as you can.<br />
<br />
*930-10 Introductions<br />
*10-10:30 Create a wiki userpage<br />
*10:30-11 Morning tea<br />
*11-12 Review user pages, and copy to Wikipedia<br />
*12-1230 Use talk pages<br />
*1230-1 Lunch<br />
*1-2 Create a sandpit page, try formatting<br />
*2-230 Upload and or use images on Commons<br />
*230-3 Afternoon tea<br />
*3-4 Edit a Wikipedia page<br />
<br />
<br />
'''Please note''' that there is an opportunity for more focused and advanced sessions on the second training day. This day is pending numbers and open to people who attend the introductory first day, or who already have skills and knowledge on the workings of Wikipedia, who want to work on a specific project with the support of the facilitator. Please indicate your interest in attending the second day.<br />
<br />
==Participants==<br />
<br />
Please list your name and association if you are participating:<br />
<br />
#[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 14:52, 4 December 2012 (EST) - La Trobe University<br />
# Deborah Mellor - Bendigo Community Health Services<br />
# Mandy Kenny - La Trobe University<br />
<br />
<br />
==Budget==<br />
<br />
* $700 Trainer travel and 1 night accommodation and expenses<br />
* $300 catering<br />
* $100 printing<br />
* '''TOTAL $1100'''<br />
<br />
==See also==<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Kingston_Tasmania Kingston Tasmania training day]<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Hobart_VET Hobart Tasmania training day]<br />
<br />
==Introducing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! User Name !! Nice People !! Edit Button !! Nice Feeling<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Wikipedia_User_Name_MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Nice People MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center|thumbtime=40]] || [[File:Edit Button.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Great Feeling.ogv|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This video shows some of Wikipedia's contributors, explaining their user names. || This video focuses on the motivations and passion of Wikipedians, and ends with a comment by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales about what makes the project special. || This video is a direct invitation by Wikipedians to "click that [edit] button and see what happens". || In this video, Wikipedians talk about the joy of being part of a global community of editors.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
*'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI Why Wikipedians are the Weirdest People on the Internet]''' (YouTube) – a humorous presentation by Wikipedian Steven Walling about the culture of Wikipedia and its editors.<br />
*'''[http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html Wikipedia Vision]''' – an animated map that highlights live edits from users around the world as they happen, demonstrating the global nature of the project.<br />
*'''[http://wikistream.inkdroid.org/ wikistream]''' – a visualization showing a stream of edits to the most popular Wikipedia projects.<br />
*'''[irc://irc.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia Live feed of all edits]''' – a feed that outputs every new change to English Wikipedia, demonstrating the pace of Wikipedia's evolution: 1–2 edits per second. Requires an IRC client to view.<br />
*'''[http://stats.grok.se/ Wikipedia article traffic statistics]''' – a tool for charting how many hits any given article gets, great for comparing different kinds of articles at different times, e.g., [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Genetics Genetics (in the school year)] vs. [http://stats.grok.se/en/200908/Genetics (in the summer)], or [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Youtube YouTube (with weekend spikes)] and [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Simpsons Simpsons (with spikes when new episodes come out)]. Students can also use it to see how many people are reading their articles over the course of the class (and beyond).<br />
*'''[http://www.manypedia.com Manypedia]''' - a tool for comparing a specific Wikipedia page from a language edition Wikipedia (for example, English) with its equivalent page on another language edition Wikipedia (for example, Arabic), exploiting automatic translation and additional statistics about both pages such as number of edits and editors.<br />
*'''[http://sonetlab.fbk.eu/wikitrip/ WikiTrip]''' - a tool for visualizing the animated evolution in time of two kinds of information about the Wikipedians who edited the selected page: their location in the world and their gender.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Welcome to Wikipedia !! Ten Simple Rules !! Introduction to free licenses !! Evaluating Wikipedia article quality<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Welcome2WP English 082310.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Introduction to free licenses 2010-11-27 (web).pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Evaluating Wikipedia article quality 2010-11-26 (web).pdf|150px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This 17-page guide covers creating a user account, editing basics, communication, and how articles evolve and are evaluated, and includes a quick reference to help you to remember frequently used wiki markup. || This editorial from ''PLoS Computation Biology'' focuses on how to contribute effectively as an expert, and is great for setting expectations before students begin editing. || This brochure helps you understand the basic concepts of free licenses, as well as terms like "CC-by-SA" and "public domain". || This reference guide covers specific steps you can take to get the most out of Wikipedia, as well as a look at how its quality system works.<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Mechanics of editing Wikipedia==<br />
<br />
These printable PDF documents are designed to be handed out to students, either as part of a packet at the beginning of a Wikipedia assignment, or throughout the term at appropriate points.<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:Welcome2WP English Flap 081810.pdf|Wiki markup quick reference]]''' – This one-page quick reference (included in the ''Welcome to Wikipedia'' brochure) helps you to remember the most frequently used wiki markup codes.<br />
*'''[[:File:WikipediaReferencing.pdf|References]]''' – This handout explains why references are important, what the expectations for sourcing on Wikipedia are, where to place references, and the basics of adding "ref" tags.<br />
*'''[[:File:RefCodeHandout.pdf|Reference formatting]]''' – This handout explains in more detail how to create footnotes for citing sources, and how to cite the same source multiple times.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - How to get help.pdf|How to get help]]''' – explains the recommended way to get help and feedback for classes supported by Wikipedia Ambassadors: by posting on their course talk page and notifying their mentor. It also includes a glossary of additional help resources students might use.<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Starting a sandbox article !! Basic editing: bold and links !! How to use a watchlist !! How to use talk pages<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Tutorial on starting a sandbox article on Wikipedia.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Boldness and links tutorial.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - watchlists.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Talk pages.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to start an a sandbox page to play around with wiki markup or start an article draft (''2m 11s'') || How to use the most basic features of wiki markup to create bold text and links to other pages (''3m 37s'') || How to use a watchlist to keep track of pages you are interested in or have edited (''2m 10s'') || How to interact with other editors using talk pages, including article talk pages and user talk pages (''2m 30s)<br />
|}<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Basic editing: citing sources !! Citing sources with RefToobar !! Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_1.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_2.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| How to add citations using "ref" tags (''2m 3s'') || How to use the 'Cite' tool for inserting automatically formatted references (''2m 24s'') || Uploading files such as images to Wikimedia Commons, using the upload wizard (''2 min 48 sec'')<br />
|}<br />
<br />
==Writing articles==<br />
<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it. Hand this one out twice. <br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - moving out of your sandbox.pdf|Moving out of your sandbox]]''' – walks through how to move an article draft from a userpage sandbox into Wikipedia.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - Submitting an article to the Did You Know process.pdf|Submitting an article to the Did You Know process]]''' – walks through how to submit a new or newly expanded article to the Did You Know process so that it will appear on the Main Page.<br />
<br />
{| class="wikitable"<br />
|-<br />
! Article creation !! Article improvement !! Article assessments !! Article evolution<br />
|-<br />
| [[File:How to create a Wikipedia article - Right to science and culture.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleimprovement.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleassessments.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleevolution.ogg|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| A demonstration, recorded live, of how to create a Wikipedia article (''7 min 50 sec'') || A look at how to assess the shortcomings of an article and improve it (''4m 22s'') || An exploration of the standard article assessment system, with examples of each quality level (''11m 30s'') || A trip through the history of an article, from humble beginnings to Good Article status (''6m 25s'')<br />
|}<br />
[[Category:Events]]<br />
[[Category:Australia]]<br />
[[Category:Wikimedia Australia]]</div>Leighblackallhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Proposal:Bendigo_health_information_workshops_2013&diff=8171Proposal:Bendigo health information workshops 20132012-12-04T03:52:47Z<p>Leighblackall: Created page with "This is a proposal to Wikimedia Australia, to help La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences to host a small Wikipedia editing workshop in Bendigo, Victoria in January ..."</p>
<hr />
<div>This is a proposal to Wikimedia Australia, to help La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences to host a small Wikipedia editing workshop in Bendigo, Victoria in January 2013. We are targeting health information professionals across the region, open to other information community groups as well (regional historic societies, librarians and the like). <br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) will be providing the venue, and Bendigo Community Health Services will be assisting with promotion and sending key staff along to the workshop, and to consider ways in which they can help maintain health information relevant to regional Victorians. La Trobe University Faculty of Health Sciences academic staff will be attending, looking for deeper knowledge of Wikipedia and the related projects, to incorporate their use in teaching and research work. We need support from Wikimedia Australia for catering and a trainer.<br />
<br />
==Details==<br />
15 January 2013 (TBC)<br />
22 January 2013 (Optional extra)<br />
<br />
9am to 4pm<br />
<br />
La Trobe University (Bendigo Campus) venue TBA<br />
<br />
Attendance is free and lunch with morning and afernoon tea will be provided<br />
<br />
Wikimedia Australia, Bendigo Community Health Services, and La Trobe University's Faculty of Health Sciences is hosting two free Wikipedia editing training days for people who have knowledge an interest in local health information, community history and other regional Victoria related information should attend this day. You will gain in-depth knowledge on how Wikipedia and its related projects work, and start contributing to the creation and maintenance of information on these important reference resources. Numbers are limited to 30, so register your interest as soon as you can.<br />
<br />
*930-10 Introductions<br />
*10-10:30 Create a wiki userpage<br />
*10:30-11 Morning tea<br />
*11-12 Review user pages, and copy to Wikipedia<br />
*12-1230 Use talk pages<br />
*1230-1 Lunch<br />
*1-2 Create a sandpit page, try formatting<br />
*2-230 Upload and or use images on Commons<br />
*230-3 Afternoon tea<br />
*3-4 Edit a Wikipedia page<br />
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'''Please note''' that there is an opportunity for more focused and advanced sessions on the second training day. This day is pending numbers and open to people who attend the introductory first day, or who already have skills and knowledge on the workings of Wikipedia, who want to work on a specific project with the support of the facilitator. Please indicate your interest in attending the second day.<br />
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==Participants==<br />
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Please list your name and association if you are participating:<br />
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#[[User:Leighblackall|Leighblackall]] 14:52, 4 December 2012 (EST) - La Trobe University<br />
# Deborah Mellor - Bendigo Community Health Services<br />
# Mandy Kenny - La Trobe University<br />
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==Budget==<br />
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* $700 Trainer travel and 1 night accommodation and expenses<br />
* $300 catering<br />
* $100 printing<br />
* '''TOTAL $1100'''<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Kingston_Tasmania Kingston Tasmania training day]<br />
* [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_training_day,_Hobart_VET Hobart Tasmania training day]<br />
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==Introducing Wikipedia==<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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! User Name !! Nice People !! Edit Button !! Nice Feeling<br />
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| [[File:Wikipedia_User_Name_MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Nice People MEDIUM.ogv|180px|center|thumbtime=40]] || [[File:Edit Button.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Great Feeling.ogv|180px|center]]<br />
|-<br />
| This video shows some of Wikipedia's contributors, explaining their user names. || This video focuses on the motivations and passion of Wikipedians, and ends with a comment by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales about what makes the project special. || This video is a direct invitation by Wikipedians to "click that [edit] button and see what happens". || In this video, Wikipedians talk about the joy of being part of a global community of editors.<br />
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*'''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEkF5o6KPNI Why Wikipedians are the Weirdest People on the Internet]''' (YouTube) – a humorous presentation by Wikipedian Steven Walling about the culture of Wikipedia and its editors.<br />
*'''[http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html Wikipedia Vision]''' – an animated map that highlights live edits from users around the world as they happen, demonstrating the global nature of the project.<br />
*'''[http://wikistream.inkdroid.org/ wikistream]''' – a visualization showing a stream of edits to the most popular Wikipedia projects.<br />
*'''[irc://irc.wikimedia.org/en.wikipedia Live feed of all edits]''' – a feed that outputs every new change to English Wikipedia, demonstrating the pace of Wikipedia's evolution: 1–2 edits per second. Requires an IRC client to view.<br />
*'''[http://stats.grok.se/ Wikipedia article traffic statistics]''' – a tool for charting how many hits any given article gets, great for comparing different kinds of articles at different times, e.g., [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Genetics Genetics (in the school year)] vs. [http://stats.grok.se/en/200908/Genetics (in the summer)], or [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Youtube YouTube (with weekend spikes)] and [http://stats.grok.se/en/200903/Simpsons Simpsons (with spikes when new episodes come out)]. Students can also use it to see how many people are reading their articles over the course of the class (and beyond).<br />
*'''[http://www.manypedia.com Manypedia]''' - a tool for comparing a specific Wikipedia page from a language edition Wikipedia (for example, English) with its equivalent page on another language edition Wikipedia (for example, Arabic), exploiting automatic translation and additional statistics about both pages such as number of edits and editors.<br />
*'''[http://sonetlab.fbk.eu/wikitrip/ WikiTrip]''' - a tool for visualizing the animated evolution in time of two kinds of information about the Wikipedians who edited the selected page: their location in the world and their gender.<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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! Welcome to Wikipedia !! Ten Simple Rules !! Introduction to free licenses !! Evaluating Wikipedia article quality<br />
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| [[File:Welcome2WP English 082310.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia.pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Introduction to free licenses 2010-11-27 (web).pdf|150px|center]] || [[File:Evaluating Wikipedia article quality 2010-11-26 (web).pdf|150px|center]]<br />
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| This 17-page guide covers creating a user account, editing basics, communication, and how articles evolve and are evaluated, and includes a quick reference to help you to remember frequently used wiki markup. || This editorial from ''PLoS Computation Biology'' focuses on how to contribute effectively as an expert, and is great for setting expectations before students begin editing. || This brochure helps you understand the basic concepts of free licenses, as well as terms like "CC-by-SA" and "public domain". || This reference guide covers specific steps you can take to get the most out of Wikipedia, as well as a look at how its quality system works.<br />
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==Mechanics of editing Wikipedia==<br />
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These printable PDF documents are designed to be handed out to students, either as part of a packet at the beginning of a Wikipedia assignment, or throughout the term at appropriate points.<br />
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*'''[[:File:Welcome2WP English Flap 081810.pdf|Wiki markup quick reference]]''' – This one-page quick reference (included in the ''Welcome to Wikipedia'' brochure) helps you to remember the most frequently used wiki markup codes.<br />
*'''[[:File:WikipediaReferencing.pdf|References]]''' – This handout explains why references are important, what the expectations for sourcing on Wikipedia are, where to place references, and the basics of adding "ref" tags.<br />
*'''[[:File:RefCodeHandout.pdf|Reference formatting]]''' – This handout explains in more detail how to create footnotes for citing sources, and how to cite the same source multiple times.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - How to get help.pdf|How to get help]]''' – explains the recommended way to get help and feedback for classes supported by Wikipedia Ambassadors: by posting on their course talk page and notifying their mentor. It also includes a glossary of additional help resources students might use.<br />
*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it.<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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! Starting a sandbox article !! Basic editing: bold and links !! How to use a watchlist !! How to use talk pages<br />
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| [[File:Tutorial on starting a sandbox article on Wikipedia.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Boldness and links tutorial.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - watchlists.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Talk pages.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
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| How to start an a sandbox page to play around with wiki markup or start an article draft (''2m 11s'') || How to use the most basic features of wiki markup to create bold text and links to other pages (''3m 37s'') || How to use a watchlist to keep track of pages you are interested in or have edited (''2m 10s'') || How to interact with other editors using talk pages, including article talk pages and user talk pages (''2m 30s)<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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! Basic editing: citing sources !! Citing sources with RefToobar !! Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons<br />
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| [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_1.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Citing_sources_tutorial,_part_2.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]] || [[File:Wikipedia basics - Uploading files to Wikimedia Commons.ogv|180px|thumbtime=0|center]]<br />
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| How to add citations using "ref" tags (''2m 3s'') || How to use the 'Cite' tool for inserting automatically formatted references (''2m 24s'') || Uploading files such as images to Wikimedia Commons, using the upload wizard (''2 min 48 sec'')<br />
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==Writing articles==<br />
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*'''[[:File:PlagiarismHandout.pdf|Plagiarism]]''' – explains what plagiarism is on Wikipedia&mdash;including "close paraphrasing"&mdash;in addition to why and how to avoid it. Hand this one out twice. <br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - moving out of your sandbox.pdf|Moving out of your sandbox]]''' – walks through how to move an article draft from a userpage sandbox into Wikipedia.<br />
*'''[[:File:Classroom handout - Submitting an article to the Did You Know process.pdf|Submitting an article to the Did You Know process]]''' – walks through how to submit a new or newly expanded article to the Did You Know process so that it will appear on the Main Page.<br />
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{| class="wikitable"<br />
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! Article creation !! Article improvement !! Article assessments !! Article evolution<br />
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| [[File:How to create a Wikipedia article - Right to science and culture.ogv|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleimprovement.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleassessments.ogg|180px|center]] || [[File:Articleevolution.ogg|180px|center]]<br />
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| A demonstration, recorded live, of how to create a Wikipedia article (''7 min 50 sec'') || A look at how to assess the shortcomings of an article and improve it (''4m 22s'') || An exploration of the standard article assessment system, with examples of each quality level (''11m 30s'') || A trip through the history of an article, from humble beginnings to Good Article status (''6m 25s'')<br />
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