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'''Welcome to the Billabong.''' This is a discussion page for this wiki.
 
'''Welcome to the Billabong.''' This is a discussion page for this wiki.
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* <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=edit&section=new}} Start a new discussion]</span>
  
 
Other places where you can communicate with members:
 
Other places where you can communicate with members:
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'''Billabong Archives'''
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* [[Billabong/Archive 1]]
 
* [[Billabong/Archive 1]]
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== Meeting/resolution updates? ==
 
 
Any chance of an update to the lists of [[Meetings]] and [[Resolutions]]?  It would be nice to be able to keep up with where the committee is at. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] 11:37, 22 July 2011 (EST)
 
 
:We have caught up on publishing all the [[meetings]] minutes and have put in place a procedure to always have the minutes published before the public meeting (i.e. within two weeks).  There are a lot of [[resolutions]] pages which haven't been created, but they should all be found in the minutes. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 19:22, 5 September 2011 (EST)
 
 
== HideTopContrib copied from en ==
 
 
I have included [[User:Markhurd/hidetopcontrib.js]], copied from en Wikipedia, that allows you to hide contributions where the editor (normally yourself) is the top contributor; i.e. it leaves all edits where there has been a subsequent editor.
 
 
To use it, add to your skin's custom JavaScript(JS) page (which can be located with the Appearance tab of [[Special:Preferences]]) the following:
 
 
// [[User:Markhurd/hidetopcontrib.js]]
 
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'
 
            + 'http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=User:Markhurd/hidetopcontrib.js'
 
            + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"></script>');
 
 
If you also specify
 
 
userHideAllSubsequent=true;
 
 
''before'' the above script, it will remove all subsequent edits as well, similar to WatchLists. [[User:Markhurd|markhurd]] 16:47, 28 August 2011 (EST)
 
 
:I should mention it is not ''quite'' as useful as it is on en without [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups|Navigation Popups]], allowing you to just hover over the hist links to see what the subsequent changes are. And Popups can be introduced remotely (as probably could have my HideTopContribs):
 
// [[wikipedia:User:Lupin/popups]]
 
importScriptURI("http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/popups.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");
 
:[[User:Markhurd|markhurd]] 16:59, 28 August 2011 (EST)
 
 
== [[Proposal:Non-member participation|Non-member participation]] ==
 
 
The committee is looking for people to take on a community role of "account approvers" on this wiki.  Members and non-members can apply.  See [[Proposal:Non-member participation|Non-member participation]] for more info.  Expression of interests should be sent to {{nospam|committee|wikimedia.org.au}}.  The committee will make a decision at the 18 September committee meeting. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 19:26, 5 September 2011 (EST)
 
 
:The committee minutes have been published at [[Meeting:Committee_(2011-09-15)#Non-member_participation]], and the "account approvers" have been given the necessary permissions.[http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Special:Log/rights?offset=20110926&dir=prev&limit=4]  Thank you, [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 15:35, 26 September 2011 (EST)
 
 
== age considersations ==
 
 
Are there any age issues with participation on this wiki.  For example, the US law [[w:COPPA]] has a few regulations which apply to anyone who is under 13.  Does it apply to US citizens using a AUS website?  Are there AUS laws about this?
 
We can put any requirements on [[MediaWiki:Requestaccount-text]]. --[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 19:32, 5 September 2011 (EST)
 
 
:I did some research years ago for something completely unrelated, and my findings we probably only need to get COPPA details for under-13s in the USA.  It doesn't apply to Australian under-13s provided that the website is hosted in and administratively run in Australia (which is true for this wiki).  That was a long time ago though and is not a substitute for proper legal advice!  [[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] 12:17, 11 September 2011 (EST).
 
 
== Institutional membership ==
 
 
At [[2010-2011 AGM]] we considered changing the rules to allow corporate affiliates.  This was narrowly voted down.  We have a proposal for [[Proposal:Affiliated organisations|Affiliated organisations]], however this is designed to cater for small organisations.  I would like to propose that we start an proposal for large organisations to become members, where we can look at what benefits/rights they should have. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 17:26, 26 September 2011 (EST)
 
 
:The Hong Kong Chapter has an institutional membership, where these institutions pay extra and only get one institutional vote.  Proposing something similar would probably be ideal. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] 15:03, 2 October 2011 (EST)
 
 
== Testing edit access ==
 
 
I, as [[User:MarkhurdTest|Mark Hurd (Testing)]], can currently edit here, but not the talk page. [[User:MarkhurdTest|Mark Hurd (Testing)]] 23:19, 26 September 2011 (EST)
 
 
== Rules on sidebar ==
 
 
Should we add [[Rules]] to the sidebar?  It's on the front page, however I've seen the "Constitution"/"Articles of Incorporation"/etc on the sidebar of several chapter wikis. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 21:46, 26 January 2012 (EST)
 
 
== nov irc meeting? ==
 
 
I wonder if there was an nov. irc meeting? If you know, pipe up :-) [[User:Privatemusings|Privatemusings]] 08:56, 9 November 2012 (EST)
 
:I turned up an hour late due to timezone confusion. afaik there was no discussion. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 10:36, 9 November 2012 (EST)
 
 
== Two new draft proposals ==
 
 
I have started drafting two new proposals aimed to promote contributions to our wiki: [[User:John Vandenberg/userspace policy]] and [[User:John Vandenberg/Suspending the private mailing list]].  Looking forward to feedback and assistance on developing these so that they are ready for the committee to enact them. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 13:59, 1 December 2012 (EST)
 
 
:Thank god: please shut down that secret mailing list. Then if they want to keep attacking me, they'll have to do it in public. [[User:Tony1|Tony1]] 15:43, 1 December 2012 (EST)
 
 
== New pages ==
 
 
Members, I've started two pages for you to contribute in specific ways:
 
 
*[[User:Tony1/Proposed membership table|A members register]], which is intended to be entirely optional (and hasn't yet been properly started)
 
*[[Proposal:WLM_2013|A Wiki Loves Monuments proposal page]].
 
 
Please visit! [[User:Tony1|Tony1]] 18:24, 2 December 2012 (EST)
 
 
== December 2 IRC transcript ==
 
 
Craig's log has been cleaned and posted at [[Meeting:Public (2012-12-02)]]. Anyone want to create minutes? ;-) [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 23:07, 2 December 2012 (EST)
 
 
== New Approved proposals category ==
 
 
I suggest we create an [[:Category:Approved proposals|Approved proposals]] category with [[Template talk:Proposal#More complex category option|corresponding]] changes to the {{tl|Proposal}} template, shifting already approved (and perhaps abandoned?) proposals out of the [[:Category:Proposals|Proposals]] category.
 
 
[[User:Markhurd|Mark Hurd]] 12:09, 3 December 2012 (EST)
 
 
:{{done}} I've gone ahead with this, without addressing abandoned and failed proposals. [[User:Markhurd|Mark Hurd]] 03:19, 4 December 2012 (EST)
 
 
== Timeline for 2013 ==
 
 
Members and board: could I suggest that we develop a timeline/wishlist for the things we know or are fairly certain will happen in 2013?
 
 
If we're making an application to round 2 of the FDC, for example, can we work back from the 1 March deadline and put some kind of scheduling in place—what should be done by when (then we might start to volunteer for components)?
 
 
Are we going to apply for funding from the GAC?
 
 
What else is on the horizon? [[User:Tony1|Tony1]] 20:32, 3 December 2012 (EST)
 
:revise annual plan is supposed to be published by 1 Feb, ALIA needs volunteers, new rules still need to be addressed, WLM will have needs, be good to see the AGM date set earlier. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 23:27, 3 December 2012 (EST)
 
::OK, pity there couldn't be an interim plan before the break. 1 Feb is getting rather close to the FDC deadline. [[User:Tony1|Tony1]] 20:32, 7 December 2012 (EST)
 
 
== double log in required ==
 
 
it may just be me - but this wiki has for some time required me to log in twice to edit - first time it simply fails to login, second time it works ok - thought I'd mention it :-) [[User:Privatemusings|Privatemusings]] 13:09, 4 December 2012 (EST)
 
 
:Yep, I've been getting the same thing today. [[User:Samwilson|Sam Wilson]] 17:13, 4 December 2012 (EST)
 
  
::I had it before but since they changed my user status about a month or so ago it hasnt happened [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 17:17, 4 December 2012 (EST)
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== Upgrading the wiki tonight ==
  
:It looks like it's a domain difference: with <code>www</code> vs. withoutAfter logging it to the non-<code>www</code>, we get redirected to <code>www.</code>, and are no longer logged in. [[User:Samwilson|Sam Wilson]] 14:44, 5 December 2012 (EST)
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Hi everyone, I'll be upgrading the wiki shortly. The database will be in readonly mode, and may go offline entirely for a while. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] 20:27, 1 July 2013 (EST)
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: It is back upLet me know if there are problems. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|talk]]) 01:05, 2 July 2013 (EST)
  
== Process suggestions ==
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== spring ==
  
Here are some suggestions for managing our increasing number of projects. In my opinion, it would be good if we could easily find our projects (whether they are under consideration or currently being implemented or are finished and have been reported on), so we can know where they are up to and contribute in a timely manner. If we are going to start on the road towards Wiki Loves Monuments (WLM), for example, we will need a place for these separate things that we can all find and follow - WLM is a year long process.
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has sprung. Maybe the billabong will fill in due course? [[User:Privatemusings|Privatemusings]] ([[User talk:Privatemusings|talk]]) 19:37, 3 September 2013 (EST)
  
===Project communication and management===
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== Mailing List Moderation ==
  
The ideal way to manage proposals for projects is to follow a known structured process.
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Hi All,
  
'''PHASE 1: Propose'''
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This is just a public note to advise that the members' private mailing list is now on moderation and should only be used for confidential matters.  For public reference, below is the text of the message that was sent to subscribers to the private list:
  
We consider the proposal, discuss the big questions such as whether the project is a good idea and fits with our goals. (For example, the three questions I asked about the Winter Sports Project). The discussion will show whether or not to go to the next phase.<br>
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:Hi everyone,
  
'''PHASE 2: Plan'''
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:Over the weekend, our private mailing list was configured to enable moderation. All posts to this list (yes, even mine) are now moderated by the committee. This is in response to the occasional user conduct issues on the private list, and the feedback from members to the proposal to suspend the mailing list.[1]
  
We determine the project requirements and plan them. (For example, the timeframe, the resources needed (including skills, budget and quality, and whatever else needs planning.)<br>
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:I've have been drafting a code of conduct[2], and these principles will be used as the de facto guidelines for moderation until we have an approved code of conduct. I encourage feedback on the wiki on this code so that we can get as close to something everyone is happy with as we can.
  
'''PHASE 3: Do'''  
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:Most discussions should be held on the open list 'wikimediaau-l'. Please subscribe to it if you haven't already.
  
We undertake the project (provided it passed the first two phases).<br>
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:https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
  
'''PHASE 4: Report'''
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:The private mailing list is only to be used for matters that require privacy or confidentiality.
  
We submit whatever reports are needed.
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:The private mailing list is intended to be a safe space where participants are treated with respect and are not afraid to venture their opinions. Emails that contain insults, abusive behaviour and bad faith will not be forwarded to the rest of the membership.
  
'''PHASE 5: Learn'''  
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:Please keep in mind that the committee can't guarantee that messages sent to this private mailing list will not be forwarded on by some subscriber outside of this list.  It is therefore inadvisable to send any highly sensitive information to the list.  Please also keep in mind that the moderators are all volunteers, so if your message isn't posted immediately don't fret; it may just mean that we're all either asleep, at work, or otherwise unavailable.
  
We consider how it went and document what we learned.<br>
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:Regards,
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:Craig Franklin
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:President - Wikimedia Australia
  
===Purpose and extended process===
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:1. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:Suspending_the_private_mailing_list
I applied this normal process to the example of planning GLAM events and published it at [http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Event_planning_process GLAM Best Practices]. The purposes of such a process are: to maximise the efficiency of the project itself (by thinking it through in advance); to be able to get whatever necessary authorisations or funding are needed; (in our case) so we know what is going on; and (in my own case, and perhaps in yours) so I can ''find'' where things are. (At the moment, I find it difficult to know where the where the project is, where it is up to and where relevant discussion is.)
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:2. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Suspending_the_private_mailing_list/Proposed_Code_of_Conduct
  
=== A few suggestions===
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[[User:Lankiveil|Lankiveil]] ([[User talk:Lankiveil|talk]]) 23:25, 1 October 2013 (EST).
  
I suggest that we:
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== Future events page? ==
* set up a tab for "projects";
 
* use the front page of each proposal for facts about it, and make it clear which phase it is up to;
 
* include an end date for Phase 1 to the front page of each proposal so we can all see how much time there before we have to move onto planning;
 
* use the discussion page for discussions about each phase of the project and another sub page for "plans" so that plans can be developed as the discussions are proceeding and independently of them.
 
  
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What's the [[Future events]] page for, compared to [[Upcoming events]]? (By the way, I've just merged the {{tl|Events}} template with [[Upcoming events]] and [[Past events]]; hope that's okay!) —[[User:Samwilson|Sam Wilson]] ([[User talk:Samwilson|talk]]) 10:27, 2 October 2013 (EST)
  
[[User:Whiteghost.ink|Whiteghost.ink]] 16:18, 10 December 2012 (EST)
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== Double login (still) required ==
  
:Agree with pretty much everything you have said. [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 19:26, 10 December 2012 (EST)
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This was [[Billabong/Archive 2#double log in required|mentioned]] a a while ago, but it seems to still be happening (to me at least). Just wondering if anyone could look into it? It should just be a matter of deciding which (with or without <code>www</code>, I'm assuming the former as that's what <nowiki>{{SERVER}}</nowiki> is returning) domain is to be used, and redirecting the unused one to the used one. Thanks! [[User:Samwilson|Sam Wilson]] ([[User talk:Samwilson|talk]]) 10:10, 18 March 2014 (EST)
::Yes, so do I. It would be interesting to take a quick look at how a few other chapters do it, although I'm not suggesting we copy anyone. [[User:Tony1|Tony1]] 19:36, 10 December 2012 (EST)
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:Sorry I didnt fix it back then.  I think [[user:Bilby]] is the only active sysadmin now. [[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] ([[User talk:John Vandenberg|talk]]) 14:13, 19 March 2014 (EST)
:I also agree with the above [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] 21:05, 10 December 2012 (EST)
 
  
==Decoupling funding proposals from specific people==
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== Events ==
  
I'm interested in people's thoughts on decoupling funding proposals from specific people. That is, a funding proposal says "lets spend about $X doing Y". That proposal is then accepted/rejected on its merits. If it's accepted, then any number of individuals can front up and say "I'm ready, willing and able to do Y and I estimate my costs would be $Z" and decisions can be made, based on the past track record of the individuals, the costs they are seeking, etc.
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I'm changing the 'state' field of events to the more general 'region' so that we can add 'International' and 'National' events. Sound okay? [[User:Samwilson|Sam Wilson]] ([[User talk:Samwilson|talk]]) 10:20, 27 January 2019 (AEDT)
  
The benefits of this approach is that we avoid the issue of self-interest in the decision to allocated funding to a goal/activity, and allow an open competition for anyone who was interested, which hopefully would produce a "best value for money" outcome.
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== 'Join' link ==
  
The downside is that the process would be longer than the current process (two sets of decisions, committing the funding and then choosing the people).  
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There's a 'join' link near the login link on this wiki (it only appears if you're not logged in). It seems that it's been going to the wrong place for a while. I've just fixed it (and also [https://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Common.js&diff=prev&oldid=14781 simplified] the script that loads it). —[[User:Samwilson|Sam Wilson]] ([[User talk:Samwilson|talk]]) 19:41, 6 March 2019 (AEDT)
  
What do people think? [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry Raymond]] 19:35, 10 December 2012 (EST)
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== Echo and Thanks installed ==
  
:I don't have a problem with the idea, but in the past I've applied to, or set up, jobs where the job description was specifically tailored to hire a particular person, so it doesn't necessarily solve the problem. That said, I gather you are proposing running a Request for Tender process once the proposal has been accepted? In which case it makes sense.
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@[[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]]: I'm testing the Echo extension. Did you get a notification about this? —[[User:Samwilson|Sam Wilson]] ([[User talk:Samwilson|talk]]) 18:46, 9 December 2019 (AEDT)
:As an aside, one of the concerns I've had in the past is that we aren't always sending the right people, in part because the process is tied to the proposer. For some tasks, especially related to photography, we need to either identify the best people to be involved in projects, or work to build up the equipment and skills needed for the people handling the project to take the best advantage of the opportunities. If we are going to fly photographers around Australia and, as it seems to be the case, internationally to get photographs of special events, then we need to build up our skill base so that we can take advantage of what we're doing. This is likely to involve both the purchase of equipment an provision of training. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 09:07, 11 December 2012 (EST)
 

Latest revision as of 18:46, 9 December 2019

Billabong

Welcome to the Billabong. This is a discussion page for this wiki.

Other places where you can communicate with members:


Upgrading the wiki tonight

Hi everyone, I'll be upgrading the wiki shortly. The database will be in readonly mode, and may go offline entirely for a while. John Vandenberg 20:27, 1 July 2013 (EST)

It is back up. Let me know if there are problems. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:05, 2 July 2013 (EST)

spring

has sprung. Maybe the billabong will fill in due course? Privatemusings (talk) 19:37, 3 September 2013 (EST)

Mailing List Moderation

Hi All,

This is just a public note to advise that the members' private mailing list is now on moderation and should only be used for confidential matters. For public reference, below is the text of the message that was sent to subscribers to the private list:

Hi everyone,
Over the weekend, our private mailing list was configured to enable moderation. All posts to this list (yes, even mine) are now moderated by the committee. This is in response to the occasional user conduct issues on the private list, and the feedback from members to the proposal to suspend the mailing list.[1]
I've have been drafting a code of conduct[2], and these principles will be used as the de facto guidelines for moderation until we have an approved code of conduct. I encourage feedback on the wiki on this code so that we can get as close to something everyone is happy with as we can.
Most discussions should be held on the open list 'wikimediaau-l'. Please subscribe to it if you haven't already.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaau-l
The private mailing list is only to be used for matters that require privacy or confidentiality.
The private mailing list is intended to be a safe space where participants are treated with respect and are not afraid to venture their opinions. Emails that contain insults, abusive behaviour and bad faith will not be forwarded to the rest of the membership.
Please keep in mind that the committee can't guarantee that messages sent to this private mailing list will not be forwarded on by some subscriber outside of this list. It is therefore inadvisable to send any highly sensitive information to the list. Please also keep in mind that the moderators are all volunteers, so if your message isn't posted immediately don't fret; it may just mean that we're all either asleep, at work, or otherwise unavailable.
Regards,
Craig Franklin
President - Wikimedia Australia
1. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:Suspending_the_private_mailing_list
2. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Suspending_the_private_mailing_list/Proposed_Code_of_Conduct

Lankiveil (talk) 23:25, 1 October 2013 (EST).

Future events page?

What's the Future events page for, compared to Upcoming events? (By the way, I've just merged the {{Events}} template with Upcoming events and Past events; hope that's okay!) —Sam Wilson (talk) 10:27, 2 October 2013 (EST)

Double login (still) required

This was mentioned a a while ago, but it seems to still be happening (to me at least). Just wondering if anyone could look into it? It should just be a matter of deciding which (with or without www, I'm assuming the former as that's what {{SERVER}} is returning) domain is to be used, and redirecting the unused one to the used one. Thanks! Sam Wilson (talk) 10:10, 18 March 2014 (EST)

Sorry I didnt fix it back then. I think user:Bilby is the only active sysadmin now. John Vandenberg (talk) 14:13, 19 March 2014 (EST)

Events

I'm changing the 'state' field of events to the more general 'region' so that we can add 'International' and 'National' events. Sound okay? Sam Wilson (talk) 10:20, 27 January 2019 (AEDT)

'Join' link

There's a 'join' link near the login link on this wiki (it only appears if you're not logged in). It seems that it's been going to the wrong place for a while. I've just fixed it (and also simplified the script that loads it). —Sam Wilson (talk) 19:41, 6 March 2019 (AEDT)

Echo and Thanks installed

@Bidgee: I'm testing the Echo extension. Did you get a notification about this? —Sam Wilson (talk) 18:46, 9 December 2019 (AEDT)