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14:00 <gnangarra> anyone around yet? | 14:00 <gnangarra> anyone around yet? | ||
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14:01 <jayvdb> note that the log will be published on the WMAU wiki | 14:01 <jayvdb> note that the log will be published on the WMAU wiki | ||
14:01 <jayvdb> gday sDrewth; good to see you here | 14:01 <jayvdb> gday sDrewth; good to see you here | ||
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14:02 <Graham87> hi all | 14:02 <Graham87> hi all | ||
14:02 <jayvdb> hi Graham | 14:02 <jayvdb> hi Graham | ||
14:02 <jayvdb> are you all set for DC ? | 14:02 <jayvdb> are you all set for DC ? | ||
14:02 <Graham87> yes, I can't wait! | 14:02 <Graham87> yes, I can't wait! | ||
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14:03 <Graham87> hi Anne | 14:03 <Graham87> hi Anne | ||
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14:10 <foks> *ks | 14:10 <foks> *ks | ||
14:11 <jayvdb> I've started our GLAM report http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/June_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report | 14:11 <jayvdb> I've started our GLAM report http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/June_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report | ||
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14:14 <foks> Hello Chris! | 14:14 <foks> Hello Chris! | ||
14:14 <jayvdb> wb Chris | 14:14 <jayvdb> wb Chris | ||
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15:21 <jayvdb> if any rule changes are necessary before the AGM, we will need to conduct an SGM first | 15:21 <jayvdb> if any rule changes are necessary before the AGM, we will need to conduct an SGM first | ||
15:48 <jayvdb> in re last public meeting .. http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-06-03%29 | 15:48 <jayvdb> in re last public meeting .. http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-06-03%29 | ||
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15:49 <jayvdb> Peter-} did download the dumps of enwiki (and other wikis) and sent them to Melbourne | 15:49 <jayvdb> Peter-} did download the dumps of enwiki (and other wikis) and sent them to Melbourne | ||
15:50 <jayvdb> the tech guys in Melbourne had difficulty installing enwiki onto the cloud. it is still not up and running | 15:50 <jayvdb> the tech guys in Melbourne had difficulty installing enwiki onto the cloud. it is still not up and running | ||
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15:54 <u99of9> bah, missed the whole meeting, sorry | 15:54 <u99of9> bah, missed the whole meeting, sorry | ||
15:54 <u99of9> is the log up already? | 15:54 <u99of9> is the log up already? | ||
15:55 <u99of9> or are you still going? | |||
15:56 <jayvdb> still going | |||
15:57 <jayvdb> partial log at http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-07-01%29/Log | |||
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16:03 <jayvdb_> regarding finances and the future, the Funds Dissemination Committee is still a work in progress, but it is expected to be up and running by the end of the year, and we'll be expected to submit an annual plan by then | |||
16:04 <jayvdb_> see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC for more info about that organisation | |||
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16:05 <jayvdb> are there any major items that members would like to see in our annual plan for next year? | |||
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16:07 <jayvdb> (or non-members ;-) | |||
16:08 <gnangarra> some townhall type events in each city where the committee attends | |||
16:11 <jayvdb> how much should be allocated to these events? | |||
16:16 <frazerwa> we need to id events and correspondingly identify the likely costs associated with the different types of events | |||
16:17 <brian__> I must leave again - dinner. I'll check the log later | |||
16:17 <jayvdb> should we be flying a few committee members, and/or groups of the national Wiki community, to attend these town hall meetings? | |||
16:18 <gnangarra> definately some committee, maybe someone from OS if they can do a couple in go | |||
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16:23 <jayvdb> this could fit under the core stragegy item of http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Strategic_Plan#Core:_Support_volunteer_initiatives | |||
16:23 <jayvdb> "promoting local events to allow Australian editors and volunteers to build local community networks" | |||
16:23 <gnangarra> treat the townhalls as a way to engage with smaller local glams, editors and local media | |||
16:23 <jayvdb> nod | |||
16:26 <jayvdb> how many of them should be budget for? | |||
16:26 <jayvdb> e.g. how many should be hold in the Perth region? | |||
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16:27 <gnangarra> two, one perth, one regional over the same weekend | |||
16:27 <gnangarra> adelaid would be similar | |||
16:30 <gnangarra> you could also repeat if necessary later on, but getting people here is costly and time consuming so you'd want bang for bucks | |||
16:30 <jayvdb> two for most states & territories sounds ok, esp if one must be regional. three for Syd and Melb? | |||
16:31 <russavia> l8rz all | |||
16:31 <jayvdb> IMO this sounds like a program we should also include NZ for, esp. if we are going to be bringing intl ppl | |||
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16:33 <gnangarra> yup nz sounds good, maybe a PNG as well in the longer term | |||
16:33 <jayvdb> if another member supports this proposal, we can put it up on the wiki and develop it there | |||
16:33 <frazerwa> and Timore Leste too | |||
16:34 <frazerwa> I am happy to support, but if someone else prefer to ok too | |||
16:34 <frazerwa> *prefers* | |||
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16:35 <jayvdb> (hi stuartyeates; we're in a meeting atm; log will be published) | |||
16:37 <jayvdb> ok Anne, we'll put you down as the seconder. if someone else wants to take over that role, they can. ;-) I'll start writing it up. | |||
16:37 <jayvdb> any other ideas? | |||
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16:41 <frazerwa> jayvdb thanks John very terrific | |||
16:41 <frazerwa> jayvdb have you notice a new application in your email inbox? | |||
16:42 <u99of9> what exactly do you mean by town hall meeting? and why does it need internationals? | |||
16:42 <frazerwa> *noticed* | |||
16:42 <frazerwa> Graham go have a look-listen to your email inbox some nice news | |||
16:47 <gnangarra> a one day event, to intro WMau, etc with smaller groups so that local editors are able to engage and develope projects on managable scales | |||
16:50 <sDrewth> jayvdb: you should set up the framework for Sunda language work, and add some help to Index talk:. | |||
16:54 <sDrewth> otherwise you will be bo-ol | |||
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Revision as of 10:20, 1 July 2012
Timestamps are WIB. Feel free to replace it with another log.(be sure to strip out location details from join/part addresses)
14:00 <gnangarra> anyone around yet? 14:01 <jayvdb> yup; meeting starting now ;-) 14:01 <jayvdb> note that the log will be published on the WMAU wiki 14:01 <jayvdb> gday sDrewth; good to see you here 14:01 -!- Graham87 has joined #wikimedia-au 14:02 <Graham87> hi all 14:02 <jayvdb> hi Graham 14:02 <jayvdb> are you all set for DC ? 14:02 <Graham87> yes, I can't wait! 14:02 -!- frazerwa has joined #wikimedia-au 14:03 <Graham87> hi Anne 14:04 -!- oO [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:04 <frazerwa> hi Graham 14:04 <sDrewth> probably russavia 14:05 <sDrewth> done the bins, checked the flooding, come back inside 14:06 <Graham87> the flooding? 14:06 <sDrewth> I use the flooding lightly, just lots of water flowing through the low parts of the block 14:06 <Graham87> ah not so bad then 14:07 <sDrewth> nah, we live at altitude, so if we flood Werribee and Geelong are doomed 14:07 -!- brian__ [~chatzilla@CPE-58-165-30-48.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wikimedia-au 14:07 <sDrewth> there has been a lot of rain though 14:08 <Graham87> Hi Brian 14:08 <brian__> Hi folks. I just had to reinstall chatzilla on a new machine and it is not using my usual nick. Never mind. 14:09 <foks> Oh, yes, today's July 1! 14:09 <foks> Woopsie. 14:09 <sDrewth> need to do your tax return? 14:10 -!- oO [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikimedia-au 14:10 <foks> ...yes. bollocjs. 14:10 <foks> *ks 14:11 <jayvdb> I've started our GLAM report http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/June_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report 14:12 -!- Chriswaterguy has joined #wikimedia-au 14:14 <foks> Hello Chris! 14:14 <jayvdb> wb Chris 14:14 <Graham87> hi Chris 14:16 <Graham87> previous edit to GLAM report was me, forgot to log on 14:16 <jayvdb> as some of you may know, I am over in Indonesia atm. the main project I am working on is a Wikisource project with Wikimedia Indonesia. They are running a competition to transcribe https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:A_dictionary_of_the_Sunda_language_of_Java.djvu 14:17 <jayvdb> winner gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers. 14:17 <jayvdb> prize capped at ~$USD 200 14:18 <jayvdb> resulting activity can be seen at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Index:A_dictionary_of_the_Sunda_language_of_Java.djvu 14:20 <jayvdb> it would be good if we ran a similar competition to transcribe something like https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:An_Australian_language_as_spoken_by_the_Awabakal.djvu 14:20 -!- p858snake|l [~p858snake@unaffiliated/p858snake] has joined #wikimedia-au 14:21 <Addi|HIMYM> Oh, hello all :-) 14:24 <foks> jayvdb, sounds like a good idea! 14:25 <sDrewth> <- can think of better things to be doing in Indonesia than transcriptions 14:25 <sDrewth> <sowwy> 14:27 <jayvdb> I can think of better places in Indonesia to be than Jakarta 14:27 <Graham87> what are your impressions of the place? Wikitravel says it's more than a little chaotic, for a start 14:28 <sDrewth> fair call, I know no better either way 14:29 <jayvdb> Graham87: is certainly is that 14:29 <jayvdb> https://twitter.com/jayvdb/status/218571523299098624 14:30 <jayvdb> and I spend way more time in taxis than I want 14:30 <jayvdb> I suspect that this is why they use mobile technology so much - they are stuck in traffic 14:31 <frazerwa> the compilation of the dictionary looks very interesting 14:31 <Graham87> @jayvbd: oh gawd, I thought Rome was bad ... 14:31 <jayvdb> sDrewth: are there any other Australian language dictionaries on Wikisource ? 14:33 <sDrewth> none of which I am aware, though I cannot say that I have explored that space 14:33 <sDrewth> File:A Descriptive Vocabulary of the Language in Common Use Amongst the Aborigines of Western Australia.djvu 14:33 <jayvdb> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Australia#Transcription_projects lists a few about Indigenous Australians, but no dictionaries 14:33 <sDrewth> exists at Commons 14:34 <jayvdb> a Dictionaries portal would be good 14:34 <jayvdb> there is a https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Languages 14:36 <sDrewth> that last File seems to be part of one "Diary of ten years eventful life of an early settler in Western Australia" anyway 14:36 <jayvdb> oh, I started https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:A_Descriptive_Vocabulary_of_the_Language_in_Common_Use_Amongst_the_Aborigines_of_Western_Australia.djvu 14:37 <sDrewth> I haven't done an indepth view 14:40 <jayvdb> does anyone have questions or ideas they want to discuss? 14:42 <brian__> The finacial year is now over. When will be the AGM? 14:46 <jayvdb> the ctte hasnt discussed dates 14:47 <jayvdb> any suggestions? 14:49 <brian__> If we do not have to make changes in the people responsible for fund-raising after the AGM, then October will do 14:49 <brian__> otherwise September 14:50 <brian__> It has to be done before end of November 14:50 <brian__> However we need the audit of accounts for the AGM 14:53 <jayvdb> ive added the 'before December' rule to http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/General_meeting 14:54 <brian__> The rule is actually "within five months of the end of the financial year" but "before December" will do 14:56 <frazerwa> within 5 months after the end of the Association's financial year; and also we have to lodge the annual stqatement within 1 months of holding the meeting 14:56 <frazerwa> *statement* *1 month* 14:56 <jayvdb> All of our fundraising representatives are able to stay on in those roles, baring an unexpected problem 14:57 <jayvdb> I think aiming for September is a good idea. 14:59 <frazerwa> we need to check if we can have our financial statements in time for the AGM so we might also have to look at October 15:00 <jayvdb> nod 15:00 <frazerwa> we have various other aspects to put in place also that are important 15:02 <jayvdb> such as? 15:02 <Chriswaterguy> Heh - didn't notice the activity here - I'll need to actually set an alarm next time :-) 15:03 <frazerwa> we need to clarify as per the 2011 Returning Officer's recommendations for voting; 15:03 <jayvdb> would be good to write up more detailed minutes of the last AGM. 15:03 <frazerwa> and we have discussed the possibility of Rule changes which need thorough discussion 15:04 <frazerwa> jayvdb - yes 15:04 <jayvdb> thanks for bringing up rule changes. we do need to identify those early 15:05 <frazerwa> they have been identified and captured as such; they have not been discussed on comm page yet but we are ready to do this thing 15:05 <russavia> can someone tell me how to unsubscribe from members@wikimedia.org.au ? 15:05 <frazerwa> oh russavia, why? 15:05 <jayvdb> russavia: email me and it will be done. 15:06 <russavia> i'm quitting projects at end of july 15:06 <russavia> tx john 15:07 <Addi|HIMYM> russavia: :O really? :( 15:08 <jayvdb> are there any rule changes the membership wants to have considered 15:09 <Chriswaterguy> jayvdb: "winner gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers" -> cue variation on an old joke: "runner-up gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers - winner is allowed to stay at home." 15:09 <frazerwa> we will of course seek membership consideration on the changes; first we need to get them in order and prepared 15:09 <jayvdb> the prior public discussions about rule changes are at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Rules 15:17 <jayvdb> was the 2011 Returning Officer's recommendations for voting published ? 15:18 <brian__> Sorry, I had to step away and will now have to go out. I support what Anne says above 15:19 <jayvdb> found it. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Election_Report_-_2011-2012_WMAU_Committee_Nominations_and_Voting 15:20 <jayvdb> brian__: will you be the returning officer again, if the issues identified last time are addressed? 15:21 <jayvdb> if any rule changes are necessary before the AGM, we will need to conduct an SGM first 15:48 <jayvdb> in re last public meeting .. http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-06-03%29 15:49 -!- u99of9 has joined #wikimedia-au 15:49 <jayvdb> Peter-} did download the dumps of enwiki (and other wikis) and sent them to Melbourne 15:50 <jayvdb> the tech guys in Melbourne had difficulty installing enwiki onto the cloud. it is still not up and running 15:51 <jayvdb> unless someone else is interesting in trying, the USB drive will be sent to Craig 15:53 <brian__> I'm back. Yes, I will be Returning Officer if the committee wants me to be. I suggested an appointment this month 15:54 <u99of9> bah, missed the whole meeting, sorry 15:54 <u99of9> is the log up already? 15:55 <u99of9> or are you still going? 15:56 <jayvdb> still going 15:57 <jayvdb> partial log at http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-07-01%29/Log 15:58 -!- jayvdb_ [~jayvdb@wikimedia/Jayvdb] has joined #wikimedia-au 16:00 -!- oO [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:01 -!- jayvdb [~jayvdb@wikimedia/Jayvdb] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:03 <jayvdb_> regarding finances and the future, the Funds Dissemination Committee is still a work in progress, but it is expected to be up and running by the end of the year, and we'll be expected to submit an annual plan by then 16:04 <jayvdb_> see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC for more info about that organisation 16:04 -!- You're now known as jayvdb 16:05 <jayvdb> are there any major items that members would like to see in our annual plan for next year? 16:07 -!- oO [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikimedia-au 16:07 <jayvdb> (or non-members ;-) 16:08 <gnangarra> some townhall type events in each city where the committee attends 16:11 <jayvdb> how much should be allocated to these events? 16:16 <frazerwa> we need to id events and correspondingly identify the likely costs associated with the different types of events 16:17 <brian__> I must leave again - dinner. I'll check the log later 16:17 <jayvdb> should we be flying a few committee members, and/or groups of the national Wiki community, to attend these town hall meetings? 16:18 <gnangarra> definately some committee, maybe someone from OS if they can do a couple in go 16:20 -!- foks [~sup@wikipedia/fox] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21 -!- Barebone [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has joined #wikimedia-au 16:21 -!- oO [~tanvir@wikimedia/wikitanvir] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:23 <jayvdb> this could fit under the core stragegy item of http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Strategic_Plan#Core:_Support_volunteer_initiatives 16:23 <jayvdb> "promoting local events to allow Australian editors and volunteers to build local community networks" 16:23 <gnangarra> treat the townhalls as a way to engage with smaller local glams, editors and local media 16:23 <jayvdb> nod 16:26 <jayvdb> how many of them should be budget for? 16:26 <jayvdb> e.g. how many should be hold in the Perth region? 16:27 -!- Addi|HIMYM [~chatzilla@wikimedia/Addihockey10] has left #wikimedia-au 16:27 <gnangarra> two, one perth, one regional over the same weekend 16:27 <gnangarra> adelaid would be similar 16:30 <gnangarra> you could also repeat if necessary later on, but getting people here is costly and time consuming so you'd want bang for bucks 16:30 <jayvdb> two for most states & territories sounds ok, esp if one must be regional. three for Syd and Melb? 16:31 <russavia> l8rz all 16:31 <jayvdb> IMO this sounds like a program we should also include NZ for, esp. if we are going to be bringing intl ppl 16:31 -!- russavia [~russavia@wikimedia/Russavia] has left #wikimedia-au 16:33 -!- Graham87 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:33 <gnangarra> yup nz sounds good, maybe a PNG as well in the longer term 16:33 <jayvdb> if another member supports this proposal, we can put it up on the wiki and develop it there 16:33 <frazerwa> and Timore Leste too 16:34 <frazerwa> I am happy to support, but if someone else prefer to ok too 16:34 <frazerwa> *prefers* 16:34 -!- stuartyeates has joined #wikimedia-au 16:35 <jayvdb> (hi stuartyeates; we're in a meeting atm; log will be published) 16:37 <jayvdb> ok Anne, we'll put you down as the seconder. if someone else wants to take over that role, they can. ;-) I'll start writing it up. 16:37 <jayvdb> any other ideas? 16:38 -!- Graham87 has joined #wikimedia-au 16:41 <frazerwa> jayvdb thanks John very terrific 16:41 <frazerwa> jayvdb have you notice a new application in your email inbox? 16:42 <u99of9> what exactly do you mean by town hall meeting? and why does it need internationals? 16:42 <frazerwa> *noticed* 16:42 <frazerwa> Graham go have a look-listen to your email inbox some nice news 16:47 <gnangarra> a one day event, to intro WMau, etc with smaller groups so that local editors are able to engage and develope projects on managable scales 16:50 <sDrewth> jayvdb: you should set up the framework for Sunda language work, and add some help to Index talk:. 16:54 <sDrewth> otherwise you will be bo-ol