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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Tony do want to copy edit that, what I think your saying is that you were upset because there was discussion on the members list and at ANI. I have never condoned the words that were used to describe you, likewise I have never condoned that way in which it appears that you were stalking Laura. That issue blew up because people couldnt disengage, because instead of working together to improve things it became adverserial and everyone felt like they were under attack. There's a lot more to the exchange than those last few comments en.WP and Wikinews are littered with the tale, the moment never started at ANI, it didnt start at DYK with attempt to topic ban Laura it started along time before that. Its been feed by innumerable comments and reactions like a snow ball rolling down hill its grown but on that day it hit something and exploded. When it comes down to it the membership list needs to private, members need to be able to voice opinion on subjects without fear of them being broadcast publicly, with that goes a level of expectation on how people comment there as well. On that day the trust of the whole community was shaken by making a comment public, it also caused considerable concern about WMAU members on en.WP implying involvement of cabalistic proportions that in my opinion is something the committee should have addressed in timely fashion instead its been left to fester. Trying to move things forward Hawkeye has appologised to the community for his choice of words, he's also appologised to you which you acepted gracefully. IHMO its also time for you to appologise to the community for breach its trust, while I'm happy to continue this discourse, its has nothing to do with Micheals candidacy to which I wish him the best of luck feel free to take further discussion to my talk page. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:05, 18 November 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Tony do want to copy edit that, what I think your saying is that you were upset because there was discussion on the members list and at ANI. I have never condoned the words that were used to describe you, likewise I have never condoned that way in which it appears that you were stalking Laura. That issue blew up because people couldnt disengage, because instead of working together to improve things it became adverserial and everyone felt like they were under attack. There's a lot more to the exchange than those last few comments en.WP and Wikinews are littered with the tale, the moment never started at ANI, it didnt start at DYK with attempt to topic ban Laura it started along time before that. Its been feed by innumerable comments and reactions like a snow ball rolling down hill its grown but on that day it hit something and exploded. When it comes down to it the membership list needs to private, members need to be able to voice opinion on subjects without fear of them being broadcast publicly, with that goes a level of expectation on how people comment there as well. On that day the trust of the whole community was shaken by making a comment public, it also caused considerable concern about WMAU members on en.WP implying involvement of cabalistic proportions that in my opinion is something the committee should have addressed in timely fashion instead its been left to fester. Trying to move things forward Hawkeye has appologised to the community for his choice of words, he's also appologised to you which you acepted gracefully. IHMO its also time for you to appologise to the community for breach its trust, while I'm happy to continue this discourse, its has nothing to do with Micheals candidacy to which I wish him the best of luck feel free to take further discussion to my talk page. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:05, 18 November 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>MichaelBillingtonhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:2012_AGM/Candidates/Michael_Billington&diff=7657&oldid=prevGnangarra: /* Question from Tony1 */ ce my resp2012-11-18T04:06:42Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Question from Tony1: </span> ce my resp</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Chris, thanks for clarifying that. Perhaps you might take it up with Myers, who seems to be putting you in the soup, although some of it is innuendo. Perhaps you're being used. To Digby, what about ''my'' privacy here on the list? I had to endure shocking insults and an ANI started almost simultaneously at en.WP. That two-pronged approach—some of of kicking off his election campaign?—already linked the two personal attacks on me. Let me make this clear: <u>I will defend myself when under attack.</u> [[User:Tony1|Tony1]] 13:59, 18 November 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::Chris, thanks for clarifying that. Perhaps you might take it up with Myers, who seems to be putting you in the soup, although some of it is innuendo. Perhaps you're being used. To Digby, what about ''my'' privacy here on the list? I had to endure shocking insults and an ANI started almost simultaneously at en.WP. That two-pronged approach—some of of kicking off his election campaign?—already linked the two personal attacks on me. Let me make this clear: <u>I will defend myself when under attack.</u> [[User:Tony1|Tony1]] 13:59, 18 November 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Tony do want to copy edit that, what I think your saying is that you were upset because there was discussion on the members list and at ANI. I have never condoned the words that were used to describe you, likewise I have never condoned that way in which it appears that you were stalking Laura. That issue blew up because people couldnt disengage, because instead of working together to improve things it became adverserial and everyone felt like they were under attack. There's a lot to the exchange than those last few comments en.WP and Wikinews are littered with the tale, the moment never started at ANI, it didnt start at DYK with attempt to topic ban Laura it started along time before that. Its been feed by innumerable comments and reactions like a snow ball rolling down hill its grown but on that day it hit something and exploded. When it comes down to it the membership list needs to private, members need to be able to voice opinion on subjects without fear of them being broadcast publicly, with that goes a level of expectation on how people comment there as well. On that day the trust of the whole community was shaken by making a comment public, it also caused considerable concern about WMAU members on en.WP implying involvement of cabalistic proportions that in my opinion is something the committee should have addressed in timely fashion instead its been left to fester. Trying to move things forward Hawkeye has appologised to the community for his choice of words, he's also appologised to you which you acepted gracefully. IHMO its also time for you to appologise to the community for breach its trust, while I'm happy to continue this discourse, its has nothing to do with Micheals candidacy to which I wish him the best of luck feel free to take further discussion to my talk page. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:05, 18 November 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Tony do want to copy edit that, what I think your saying is that you were upset because there was discussion on the members list and at ANI. I have never condoned the words that were used to describe you, likewise I have never condoned that way in which it appears that you were stalking Laura. That issue blew up because people couldnt disengage, because instead of working together to improve things it became adverserial and everyone felt like they were under attack. There's a lot <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">more </ins>to the exchange than those last few comments en.WP and Wikinews are littered with the tale, the moment never started at ANI, it didnt start at DYK with attempt to topic ban Laura it started along time before that. Its been feed by innumerable comments and reactions like a snow ball rolling down hill its grown but on that day it hit something and exploded. When it comes down to it the membership list needs to private, members need to be able to voice opinion on subjects without fear of them being broadcast publicly, with that goes a level of expectation on how people comment there as well. On that day the trust of the whole community was shaken by making a comment public, it also caused considerable concern about WMAU members on en.WP implying involvement of cabalistic proportions that in my opinion is something the committee should have addressed in timely fashion instead its been left to fester. Trying to move things forward Hawkeye has appologised to the community for his choice of words, he's also appologised to you which you acepted gracefully. IHMO its also time for you to appologise to the community for breach its trust, while I'm happy to continue this discourse, its has nothing to do with Micheals candidacy to which I wish him the best of luck feel free to take further discussion to my talk page. [[User:Gnangarra|Gnan]][[User_talk:Gnangarra|garra]] 15:05, 18 November 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr>
</table>Gnangarrahttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:2012_AGM/Candidates/Michael_Billington&diff=7655&oldid=prevGnangarra: /* Question from Tony1 */ resp,2012-11-18T04:05:46Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Question from Tony1: </span> resp,</span></p>
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</table>Gnangarrahttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:2012_AGM/Candidates/Michael_Billington&diff=7651&oldid=prevTony1: /* Question from Tony1 */2012-11-18T02:59:42Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Question from Tony1</span></span></p>
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</table>Chris Watkinshttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:2012_AGM/Candidates/Michael_Billington&diff=7647&oldid=prevGnangarra: /* Question from Tony1 */ response nothing behind your back2012-11-18T02:15:07Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Question from Tony1: </span> response nothing behind your back</span></p>
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</table>Gnangarrahttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:2012_AGM/Candidates/Michael_Billington&diff=7645&oldid=prevTony1: /* Question from Tony1 */2012-11-18T02:00:14Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Question from Tony1</span></span></p>
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</table>Tony1https://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:2012_AGM/Candidates/Michael_Billington&diff=7643&oldid=prevChris Watkins: /* Question from Tony1 */ correcting a misunderstanding2012-11-18T01:42:00Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Question from Tony1: </span> correcting a misunderstanding</span></p>
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</table>Chris Watkinshttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:2012_AGM/Candidates/Michael_Billington&diff=7635&oldid=prevTony1: /* Question from Tony1 */2012-11-17T14:47:06Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Question from Tony1</span></span></p>
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</table>Tony1https://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Meeting_talk:2012_AGM/Candidates/Michael_Billington&diff=7631&oldid=prevTony1: /* Question from Tony1 */Can you please clarify what has been going on behind my back?2012-11-17T14:08:03Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Question from Tony1: </span>Can you please clarify what has been going on behind my back?</span></p>
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