https://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projects&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Education projects - Revision history2024-03-29T00:13:29ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.40.1https://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projects&diff=3101&oldid=prevJohn Vandenberg: /* next steps */ remove unrelated image2010-09-15T01:55:23Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">next steps: </span> remove unrelated image</span></p>
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</table>John Vandenberghttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projects&diff=3091&oldid=prevPrivatemusings: /* next steps */ reply2010-09-14T23:24:03Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">next steps: </span> reply</span></p>
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</table>Privatemusingshttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projects&diff=3087&oldid=prevAndrew Owens: /* cleanup */ +2010-09-14T18:28:53Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">cleanup: </span> +</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I am sure that Sarah meant that this page is not the right location for it, as advice or parents is not an educational project per se; it would be a user education project. Whether or not it has a place within the chapter depends on the direction we, as a group, decide on. Please hold off on proposing new projects or directions on this wiki until after the AGM and the new committee have had a chance to chat. [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 21:03, 14 September 2010 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:I am sure that Sarah meant that this page is not the right location for it, as advice or parents is not an educational project per se; it would be a user education project. Whether or not it has a place within the chapter depends on the direction we, as a group, decide on. Please hold off on proposing new projects or directions on this wiki until after the AGM and the new committee have had a chance to chat. [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 21:03, 14 September 2010 (EST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Lankiveilhttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projects&diff=3073&oldid=prevJohn Vandenberg: /* cleanup */ maybe merge with Education page?2010-09-14T12:26:04Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">cleanup: </span> maybe merge with <a href="/wiki/Education" title="Education">Education</a> page?</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Education_projects&action=historysubmit&diff=3059&oldid=3011 removed] the MAWA and VIC collaborations, as there isn't anything about them on the public wiki as yet. If these projects have launched, a brief page about them is needed. Also, the 2010 development section needs an overhaul in order to look professional. Which successful overseas projects were identified in the Berlin Chapters meeting? If they are hosted somewhere else, we can link to them until someone localises them to be suitable for the Australian sector. "Some members have expressed the view" makes me want to tag it with <nowiki>{{who}}</nowiki>; is this referring to WMAu members, or Berlin chapter meeting members? If it is the former, was it discussed on the mailing list? [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 21:44, 14 September 2010 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I [http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Education_projects&action=historysubmit&diff=3059&oldid=3011 removed] the MAWA and VIC collaborations, as there isn't anything about them on the public wiki as yet. If these projects have launched, a brief page about them is needed. Also, the 2010 development section needs an overhaul in order to look professional. Which successful overseas projects were identified in the Berlin Chapters meeting? If they are hosted somewhere else, we can link to them until someone localises them to be suitable for the Australian sector. "Some members have expressed the view" makes me want to tag it with <nowiki>{{who}}</nowiki>; is this referring to WMAu members, or Berlin chapter meeting members? If it is the former, was it discussed on the mailing list? [[User:Jayvdb|John Vandenberg]] 21:44, 14 September 2010 (EST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>John Vandenberghttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projects&diff=3061&oldid=prevJohn Vandenberg: /* cleanup */ new section2010-09-14T11:44:25Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">cleanup: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>John Vandenberghttps://wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Talk:Education_projects&diff=3055&oldid=prevPrivatemusings: /* next steps */ hmmmm2010-09-14T09:43:56Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">next steps: </span> hmmmm</span></p>
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