WikiCite: an insight

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Wiki Loves Earth 2021, 30 April 2021
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WikiCite: an insight

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WikiCite: what exactly is it, how can I contribute and how could it change my editing?
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WikiCite is a community of projects (and people, and events) working to build the corpus in Wikidata through ‘open citations’ of publications, and in particular, scholarly journal articles, that can then be used across Wikimedia platforms. Funded by the Sloan Foundation, it is now among the most popular projects in Wikidata.

For this month's community meeting, WikiCite’s Program Manager Liam Wyatt will be joining us online from Italy as well as Australian Wikipedian Margaret Donald, who will demonstrate how she uses WikiCite in both visual and source editor, with an occasional foray into Wikidata. Then Wikimedia Australia President Alex Lum will preview WikidataR, a package (software extension) for the R programming language.

Updates from Wiki Loves Earth and 1Lib1Ref to follow.

All welcome!

Event Metrics

Chat: 18:57:07 From Margaret Donald to Everyone : So will we be also talking about WLE2021? 18:58:56 From Wikimedia Australia to Everyone : Yes sure! 19:00:44 From Ann Reynolds to Everyone : No camera - I’m eating dinner! 19:01:28 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : Hi Annie! 19:02:22 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Hello from the Kulin Nation 19:03:55 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : If you want a silly hat, go to the video menu and choose a filter 19:04:57 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Come to Community Meeting to learn Advanced Zoom gimmicks. Thanks @Kerry 19:07:13 From Wikimedia Australia to Everyone : Sorry all, I meant to say we are wanting to record the presentations tonight for those who can’t join us. (But not the open conversation.) If there are any concerns let me know. 19:07:31 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : https://scholia.toolforge.org/ 19:07:46 From Toby Hudson to Wikimedia Australia(Direct Message) : ok from me 19:11:08 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : http://wikicite.org/statistics.html 19:11:26 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : Liam, could you share your screen so we can see this ? 19:22:18 From Amanda Lawrence to Everyone : how is that better than using a doi? 19:23:00 From David Nind to Everyone : when the data in Wikidata is improved, then it flows through into the reference 19:23:27 From David Nind to Everyone : that should be Wikidata item is improved... 19:23:30 From Toby Hudson to Everyone : and the improvements are done directly on wikidata, so help bootstrap other queries too 19:23:32 From Margaret Donald to Everyone : Notice the blue in the article titles. That means that someone may have found a link to the article itself so that you can read it 19:24:37 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : I have a paper in front of me (found it on the web, as I don't have access to the "scholarly database"). How do I get the Q number? 19:24:58 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : I most likely found the paper via Trove or SLQ catalogue. 19:25:05 From Margaret Donald to Everyone : Type the title int wikidata and search for the title 19:25:26 From Toby Hudson to Everyone : Entity Explosion will one day be able to do that for you Kerry (find the Q number), but it can't yet. 19:26:21 From Margaret Donald to Wikimedia Australia(Direct Message) : Is there any room for my talk?? 19:27:32 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : E.g. Trove has given me Template:Citation 19:37:16 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : This book isn't in Wikidata (although the school is -- heritage listed). Is there a way I can export it into WikiCite so I could re-used more easily in another article (say Annerley, Queensland or whatever) 19:38:17 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : I mean to ask "is there and *easy* way -- touch of a button -- to take a Trove (or any citation I have made manually" into WikiCite for easy reuse 19:38:32 From Toby Hudson to Everyone : @Kerry I think the only process for that would be to first create a WD item for it, populate it as fully as you can, and then use Cite Q on both articles... Long process but valuable for others. 19:39:00 From Margaret Donald to Everyone : easy if you have a DOI 19:39:26 From Margaret Donald to Everyone : use sourcemd 19:39:29 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Siobhan - is there an easy way to add books to Wikidata by ISBN (if no DOI) 19:39:55 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : yes: ‘cite q’ can only find information that is already in Wikidata. so if you want to cite a work that doesn’t have a wikidata item already, you first need to create it. 19:40:21 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : sourceMD is this tool: https://sourcemd.toolforge.org/ 19:40:33 From Toby Hudson to Everyone : sourcemd says it has a create from ISBN... I'll try it now on yours Kerry 19:40:33 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : Good question! I use Zotero for scholarly articles without DOIs. 19:40:41 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : it helps you to create WD items about publications. 19:40:50 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : @Toby, why not create an easy way, if there is already a standard structured citation, e.g. Template:Cite web, Template:Cite book with known parameters (and hence interpretable) to just click on it and say "export it" 19:41:42 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : for Zotero users: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Zotero/Cita 19:41:52 From Toby Hudson to Everyone : @Kerry I don't know of any way to do that export from en-wiki templates *to* wikidata, but that's a good idea for Liam and WikiCite to work on. 19:41:56 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : This is scary Margaret - could spend my life fixing references! 19:41:59 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : we (wikicite) have funded the creation of this Zotero plugin for wikidata. 19:42:07 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Oh! Do we need a Zotero tutorial next time? 19:42:39 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : there’s a presentation workshop coming up soon- may 31. sign up from that page if you want. Or, I can arrange for him to give a tutorial just for ANZ group? 19:42:40 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : No, we need better tools! 19:42:44 From Amanda Lawrence to Everyone : the problem with Zotero is it doesn't include dois for books or reports. how does your plugin cope with that? 19:42:48 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : This might be useful for books https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Walkuraxx/e-scholarship 19:42:53 From Ann Reynolds to Everyone : Wow. That was great. 19:43:07 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : Margaret is amazing! 19:45:35 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : Yes, I agree with Margaret as I’ve been pulled up when using Cite Q along with other citations. Editors don’t like the inconsistent structure. 19:46:40 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : I am thinking of a gadget for source editor where you select the citation text and click the side-bar button to Export-to-WikiCite. With Visual Editor, it might need to be more built-in, but the same deal, select the citation (as a [n] in the displayed text) and some drop-down has the export-to-WikiCite (or as a bonus, export-to-my-personal-cite library). Of course you need to the opposite gadget to import them back again 19:49:21 From Margaret Donald to Everyone : Hi Alex. Missed the name of your package... 19:49:57 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : here’s the grant page with documentation. blogpost coming soon https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikicite/e-scholarship/Evolution_and_Evolvability_(WikidataR_for_Wikicite) 19:51:15 From Kerry Raymond to Wikimedia Australia(Direct Message) : you might want to mute the person with the background dog and/or baby 19:51:48 From Wikimedia Australia to Kerry Raymond(Direct Message) : I think it might be Alex! 19:51:58 From Kerry Raymond to Wikimedia Australia(Direct Message) : Ahh .... 19:52:14 From Wikimedia Australia to Kerry Raymond(Direct Message) : PS loving Zoom!!! 19:52:47 From Kerry Raymond to Wikimedia Australia(Direct Message) : So am I, but it may just be my greater familiarity with it 19:53:18 From Kerry Raymond to Wikimedia Australia(Direct Message) : You need to wear a silly hat though! 19:54:02 From Kerry Raymond to Wikimedia Australia(Direct Message) : What you might want to do is rename yourself with your real name 19:54:17 From Wikimedia Australia to Kerry Raymond(Direct Message) : Yes good idea! 19:54:19 From Toby Hudson to Everyone : I haven't used R since 2000, but tonight I've downloaded R and RStudio.... it looks like I've got a long path ahead of me. 19:54:39 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : Good luck Toby! 19:55:17 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : Nice to DrThneed is doing some batches :) 19:55:22 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : *see 19:56:10 From Ann Reynolds to Everyone : I noticed DrThneed also 19:58:51 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiCite/Shared_Citations 20:00:27 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikicite/grant/Wikipedia_Citations_in_Wikidata 20:03:03 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Sorry - still back at the book question. Can anyone give me a clue on how to login at https://sourcemd.toolforge.org so I can test the create from ISBN 20:05:16 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : @Pru - I think the new tool is broken. I’ve only ever used the old tool. And for getting a citation for an ISBN book into wikidata I’d use the Zotero workflow. 20:05:23 From David Nind to Everyone : A lot of open access academic articles are finding there way into the Internet Archive's Scholar https://scholar.archive.org/ 20:05:23 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : I wonder how many dodgy, made up citations it might find in Wikipedia? 20:06:27 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Thanks @David! I had heard that about the SourceMD. I am off to check out Zotero workflow after this. I use Zotero all day for my library workflows 20:06:36 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : @Pru - see this and you can adapt it https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/How_to_import_scholarly_articles_to_Wikidata_using_Zotero.webm 20:06:49 From David Nind to Everyone : I also use Zotero - add item to Zotero, add any additional data, put into Wikidata using th eplugin 20:07:00 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : @david @amanda - you might want to go to this workshop: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Zotero/Cita#Presentation_workshop 20:07:55 From David Nind to Everyone : Thanks Liam! 20:08:10 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Grey literature is hopeless 20:08:42 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : But I'm happy to clean it up manually if it has more than single purpose. 20:10:02 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Can WikiCite project fund someone who knows about Zotero templates to fix Zotero? 20:11:08 From Amanda Lawrence to Everyone : @Pru that would be great. It's really crazy its so behind. 20:11:11 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : 3am ? 20:11:39 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : Did you say you put something in chat, Liam? 20:11:46 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Zotero/Cita#Presentation_workshop 20:13:58 From Sam Wilson to Everyone : I'll keep my head down :) 20:14:30 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : @Pru I’ve been doing Department of Conservation grey literature and find the workflow from Zotero to Wikidata to Wikipedia that works …ok. Still quite a lot of manual work to do this though. 20:14:54 From David Nind to Everyone : Time for the Cita workshop (5am in NZ!) https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Cita&iso=20210531T1700 20:15:11 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : Thanks David - doable for NZ! 20:16:26 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Yes - because SWAN and ESEAP meetings still aren't always good for NZ timezone. Tend to centre on Indonesia 20:16:35 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : as largest affiliate in our region 20:17:12 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : What do we have to do to get notification of SWAN and ESEAP? 20:17:49 From Wikimedia Australia to Everyone : We can circulate those details more regularly Kerry! 20:19:03 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Yes - that is one of the priorities for ESEAP. Making sure we have translators at each meeting 20:19:07 From Margaret Donald to Everyone : Brief moment on WLE2021 20:19:44 From Wikimedia Australia to Everyone : Wiki Loves Earth: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2021_in_Australia 20:20:33 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : I included NZ in my complaint to CAC. I asked for events that suit UTC +8 through to UTC +12 which I think covers all of AUS and NZ 20:20:50 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Earth_2021_in_Australia/List_of_protected_places 20:21:15 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : But at least you know where the Red Bridge is :-) 20:21:42 From Ann Reynolds to Everyone : Yes, Kerry. Good job 20:22:08 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : I keep reading that as a perjury tool! 20:22:16 From Alex Lum to Everyone : Ha ha, me too! 20:22:17 From Ann Reynolds to Everyone : Me too 20:22:56 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Margaret - is that tool just for use by judges? 20:24:52 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : Ich bin ein Berliner 20:26:13 From Pru Mitchell to Everyone : Is there a rubric for how many stars? 20:26:25 From Kerry Raymond to Everyone : 1 bad, 5 good 20:26:26 From Ann Reynolds to Everyone : No, the prejury is for anyone to look before the judges look at a shortlist 20:26:39 From Ann Reynolds to Everyone : I saw far many bird pictures today 20:27:06 From Wikimedia Australia to Everyone : 1Lib1Ref: https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/1Lib1Ref 20:28:22 From Ann Reynolds to Everyone : Thank you 20:28:26 From Wikimedia Australia to Everyone : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Online/AustralianCommunityMeeting_9_June_2021 20:28:29 From Liam Wyatt to Everyone : ta all 20:28:29 From SiobhanLeachman to Everyone : Thanks everyone! 20:28:31 From Sam Wilson to Everyone : thanks everyone, that was really good! 20:28:39 From Amanda Lawrence to Everyone : Thanks Liam and everyone. Very informative