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Adelaide’s biggest advantage is its accessibility. For most attendees, it would be only a 1-2 hour flight, making it feasible for people from Sydney and Melbourne to attend a one-day event. Perth, on the other hand, involves a significantly longer flight, making a same-day trip impractical. To justify the travel effort, Perth would require a multi-day event, which fell outside the scope of our one-day remit. This same limitation ruled out other cities, such as Darwin, Alice Springs, and, to a lesser extent, Hobart. | |||
Revision as of 06:02, 29 December 2024
For me Wikicon 2024 has been a long journey not just in the 5,628.8 km driven but also in time as part of the organising team. It all began back in March 2024 when I answered a call from WMAU EO Belinda for people to help with organising WikiCon 2024.
Organising team
One of our first decisions was where to hold the event. We considered locations where WMAU had not previously hosted a national or international event. Accessibility for members was a key factor, and each location had its own unique characteristics.
Adelaide’s biggest advantage is its accessibility. For most attendees, it would be only a 1-2 hour flight, making it feasible for people from Sydney and Melbourne to attend a one-day event. Perth, on the other hand, involves a significantly longer flight, making a same-day trip impractical. To justify the travel effort, Perth would require a multi-day event, which fell outside the scope of our one-day remit. This same limitation ruled out other cities, such as Darwin, Alice Springs, and, to a lesser extent, Hobart.
Once we had the city chosen, event time frame of one day we set out to find the venue ultimately chosing the Ibis Adelaide near Rundle Street Mall making very central to all Adelaide has to offer. Our next tasks were scholarships, and program each of these processes were informed by our theme of Indigenous Knowledge sharing which itself was based on the report commissioned by WMAU to look into knowledge sharing and perspective of Indigenou community to the movement. Our biggest challenge was finding plennary speakers that could bridge the gap between the perspectives as unfortunately the writers of the report were unable to be there. There we turned to people who had already tried bridging that gap, and someone who was currently working in that space, Wikimedia movement is blessed to have people successfully challenging these perspectives. These events are not just what the program is, we seek to bring local experiences to add to the overall vibrance of the event. Museums tours, meal, and other activities in the days around to ensure that attendees have choices open to them.
Scholarships and presentations became the next focal point, all the while venue and activities were still bubling away in the background. For scholarships the questions are always, who, why, what then create a form to seek responses. A common cohort of people responding are from outside of Australia, our New Zealand family, not even from the wider ESEAP region but from Africa and the Sub-continent. Which is problematic as WMAU isnt equiped to manage a visa process espescially for what is 8 hours of conference time, we know that Immigration isnt going to issue visas no matter the applicants qualification. The program submissions are coming in, we look to putting together the tracks a morning of plennary, then divide the room and have two concurrent sessions even then every one was cut in length, or merge into other presentations(note to future self; we have capacity for two days, good news for Perth a full weekend is worth the travel time). Send out scholarship invitations, let people knwo their presentation has been accepted and publish the program. It feels like we are ready to go.
The Big Dance
As I drove to Adelaide I chose a hotel that had secure parking out in Glenelg and cuaght the tram to the city. This was in itself a fun part and easy way to get to the Ibis which is just off the Rundle street mall. Arriving at the venue my first impressions were bit off putting as many attendees were inside a fenced off area which venue staff prevented access to. There was nice spot with coffee laid out off to the right for conference attendees not staying at the hotel. We had one long room that would later be divided into two rooms.
A beautiful heartfelt Welcome to Kaurna country was given by Elaina Magias, it really made me feel welcome. This was followed by the plennary discussion lead by Ingrid and Jenny that explored the First Nations Focus Group Report and brought to the table many of the solutions that Noongarpedia project used. This was followed by Caddie talking about the efforts in the Northern Territory to bring more First Nation knowledge to Wikipedia and the wider world. There was significant discussion around making a mos for how to represent Indigenous Australia on Wikipedia, with that actively using Wikisource as place to publish knowledge.
Following these talks we broke for Lunch while the venue staff rearranged the room in to two separate rooms. I stayed in the second room for the whole afternoon helping with technical issues and generally keeping the room on time. The first session was from Lisa who to Adelaide from New Zealand to present. The session as making a collage of our efforts within the Wikimedia movement. As part of the Organising team when reviewing submission I had doubts about this one, I found it an amazing journey I think some of that also goes to the people at my table who were equally enthraled. I'd like to participate in longer session in the future it really challenged my perceptions.
This was followed by a quizz from JarrahTree which which while intended to be something for new committee members to learn more about the community it was fun for everyone in the room we had great laugh and banter about different things. Pru talk about sourcing brought some the lessons from within the Library networks it raised some interesting ideas we again went back to concept of needing to create a Manual of Style for all thing related to Indigenous Australia and where some great examples of existing standards already exist. We then returned to JarrahTree for his vision of how to read an article and what are eacj of the components of pages can tell us beyond the articles text, this was discussion with banter over various topics. The day then wrapped up with the wall comnig down and both rooms being merged into one. Belinda wrapped up the day, kindly gave gifts to some people who played a role in making WikiCon 2024 in Adelaide happen. For me after few quick words with people I still needed to talk I sort my Adelaide Tram and headed back to where I was staying and making a curcial decisions on my journey over the next few weeks.
The Road Trip
Because one or two photos are actually many many more see:- Photos from the journey
The actual journey to WikiCon 2024 started in Perth not just on the 20th Novermber but a few months before as driving 5,000+ kilometers needs some planning and preparation. The first step was having a suitable vehicle, one that would make the journey easier, While my car would be fine to drive it lacked the space to make the journey possible when nights camping on the road needed to be factored in. The meant searchng out an SUV that was big enough to sleep in, in relative comfort something I couldn't do in my 4 door sedan. Once I had replaced the car I needed to test the vehicle out so, I packed some camping gear then headed off for an overnight run to Mount Magnet the best lessons are those you experience. That 1200km journey very quickly reaquianted me with my long haul truck driving days. I learnt the vehicle needed some extra carrying capacity, specifially to carry fuel after a detour pushed me to close to the limit of its fuel. I added roof racks, a basket, and since I had that an awening to provide some shelter to sit under. Now I felt comfident I needed to speak to WMAU who had agreed to provide me with a scholarship and whether I could opt to drive rather than fly, which wmau agreed with. The plan was formed and preparations were made for 5500km road trip, plus a personal side quest of another 4000km to Brisbane while on the road.
Tuesday 19th of November 2024 final preparations were complete and packing the vehicle was done ready for an early 5am start, start time chosen to ensure we were able to stop at the Bakers Hill Bakery for breakfast.
Day 1
We started just after 5am and rached Bakers Hill with the bakery already open and serving its first customers, we werent one them deciding that we didnt need a stop there mwe push on wanting to get some mile under our feet. From there we headed east along Great eastern Highway to the town Merredin where we stooped at the bakery for supplies for dinner. It was from here that we encountered rain that would stay with us for the next 400odd kilometres. We got a short break from the rain as we approached Lake Cowan near Norseman, that gave two benefits it meant I could just focus on driving and there was enough surface water in Lake Cowan for a photo or two. Just down the road we turned onto the Eyre Highway at Norseman and started what is crossing the Nullabor, first stop would Balladonia. At Balladonia we refueled again, infront of stood Australias longest stretch of straight road at about 146km or 90 miles as its known. We arrived at the start of the 90mile on sunset a couple of photos later and started the timelapse video. As we travelled this stretch the night grew darker and the rain again set in, once we had reached Caiguna we sort out a place for the first nights camp. Around Caiguna we also encountered our first timezom change to Central Western Time(UTC+08:45, not that time really mattered as it becomes kind of irrelevant its either day or night out here. Approxiamately 1100km driven in about 14hours of travel we werent yet half but the weather had favoured us and we were about 200kms ahead of where I had planned for day 1.
Day 2
Day 2 started around dawn, while the rain had stopped the ground was muddy, we quickly sorted the car out and continued the journey finding a picnic area about 15 minutes down the road we stopped on repacked the car readied oursleves for the day ahead. Today was the longest planned stretch of driving with the aim of at least 1200km put us within easy reach of Adelaide so we could arrived there early in the afternoon. There will be very little in the way of internet coverage and any Telegram posts were made with the assumption that they would update when ever there was a signal. Madura pass was the first feature we encountered it was also where we stopped for some fuel, note to take photos on the way home for here. The opposite feature Eucla pass was our next target, out here sections of road marked out to be landing strips for the Royal Flying Doctor Service. When travelling out here every roadhouse is worth a stop just to grab a restbreak and check the vehicle over. Next up would be Border Village South Australia we reached there middle of the morning and stopped for fuel, novice mistake should have stopped 12km back Eucla for fuel. Border Village was 271.9 cents per litre, Eucla was just 234.9 but because of a quarantine checkpoint going back was too much of a hassel.
From Border Village we cross the Nullabor Plain stopping for some cold drinks at Nullabor Station bonus even if brief an internet connection, continuing on our way we still have a long way to travel today. We leave the Nullabor plain behind us as we enter Yalata an Indigenous Protected Area on Wirangu country. Wirangu people suffered from European settlement long before they encountered Europeans as settlements in South Australia expanded west neighbouring countries were being forced off their land and further west. We continued east passing through Nundroo which is where my phone got signal and change timezones adding 2.5hours from AWST an hour of which is daylight saving. We stopped at a picnic area to swap drivers as my wife had been driving since Nullabor Station this spot was a little rougher than expected it caused a power window to stop working. Penong was our next fuel stop and the pricing here was down to around 200cpl so much cheapest since Coolgardie. From Penong we again set out to the east though by this stage I had no idea of what the time was. As we neared Ceduna I noticed a church off to left of the Eyre highway assuming such an isolated place wouldnt have a photo on Commons I added this to places to stop on the way back, yes we will have to do repeat this journey to get home.
At Ceduna we encoutered South Australias quarantine inspection stop, these quarantine stops do a great job of stopping pest crossing between states. Ceduna, like Norseman is a town of considerable size marking the end of the 1200km Nullabor Crossing. For us we keep on moving aiming to reach at least Kimba before stopping for the night, passing through some small towns all marker by grain silos we reached Kimba but it servo had closed so stoping contuing for an while long we head towards Iron Knob where we find a stop to camp for the last time as Adelaide tomorrow and ncie hotel room with spa awaits to relaxe those sore muscles from sitting in the car.
Day 3
Final night on the road heading to WikiCon2024 in Adelaide it started with an awesome sunrise and quick photo opportunity as an over sized departed fromt he camp area on its journey west. For us we will be arriving in Glenelg a beach side suburb of Adelaie. That will be later in the day but ahead today is another 400km journey having already covered 2350km. And a way we go, first stop is Port Augusta where we'll get fuel, coffee, and something for breakfast. Leaving Port Augusta we follow the duel named Princess Highway heading to Adelaide and the Augusta Highway heading from Adelaide. Reaching Redhill we decide that we have time on our side so turn off the highway in search of places to photograph, and articles that need writing let see what random wanderings produce. Redhill some interesting buildings to photograph though I dont check the Commons App for needed photos assuming places so close to Adelaide have already been well covered, today will be photos that capture my eye.
Leaving Redhill we head north and turn onto main road heading to Koolunga, another town with beautiful buildings to photograph, there was also very nice park on the river. It wass here where I did some checking and worked out that window problem had caused a fuse to blow and I found one of favourite things to photo an abandoned building. We then headed across to Balaklava passing through Brinkworth and Blyth, as we approached Balaklava there was place called The Devils Garden we turned around and went back for photos. I would during a discussion at WikiCon refer to this place as an example of something that might be worth an article, or a section in another article. Either way this is a potential category of media files, and a Wikidata item that needs creation. Leaving Balaklava in the direction of Mallala one SA finest would welcome me to SA and have a short discussion with him about vehicle velocities, we were soon back on the road havng been informed that there will be nice souvenier sent to my home.
That kind of took the fun out of zigzaging along back roads with variable speed limits from Mallala we rejoined the Princess/Augusta Hwy, Adelaide here we come. We check with our hotel in Glenelg our room wasnt yet ready off to have drive around the area. As the hotel room wasnt ready we drove around the area seeking out an auto parts store to get a replacement fuse. We also drove to the centre of Adelaide to find the WikiCon venue. We then returned to our hotel and locating the nearest tram stop for the following day, we finished the day with some burgers from a store near the hotel. That evening we caught up on the news taking note of weather concerns in the area of our bonus journey, we'll watch what develops and decide on Sunday what happens.
Day 4
Saturday morning day of the Big Dance, everything we have been working for the last 8 months comes down to today. I have described the day already. To ride the trams I had to install an app on my phone purchase tickets, I rode the tram eachway then uninstalled the app it really is idiotic how many different apps you need even for single use activities that we forgot how these disable the opportunity for travellers to access basic transport services. If we look at movement activities we too to overload apps without thinking if they can be combined into one Commons App and Wikishootme I'm looking at you two.
The conference went well, I spoke with many people an planned to catchup with Tom back in Pert to work through some ideas but sadly this will become the last time I will see him.
Day 5
Sunday we look carefully at the weather in the morning putting off the decision to abandon our side quest and head back home, Later in the day that option will become inevitable but for now off on an adventure. Adelaide has a strong German heritage even some of my ancesters lived in Adelaide one of those places is a Hahndorf. Hahndorf has been a must stop on every visit to Adelaide this one was no exception we drove up into Hahndorf took some video of the main street and grab a few photos Hahndorf is always a popular place on sundays. When in Hahndorf Beerenberg farm is a must visit, morning tea there and then grazing through the shop full of preserves, jam, sauces, mustards, and other delights wallets lighter and the car heavier we continue on our journey. Passing through Adelaide for the last time our journey continues on the Augusta/Princess Highway this time in the other direction. Topping of the fuel at Paralowie we continue on our way stopping of at Dublin for some cold drinks and step back into 1970's. Port Wakefield is our next stop we spent time exploring finding many interesting features to photograph, time to make another check of the weather, storm warnings now posted for later in the week seals the fate of our side journey we are now returning directly to home. From Port Wakefield we wander up to Port August, detour into Snowtown, yes its that Snowtown for those with long memories or Wikipedia articles to inform them. Snowtown now boost of the biggest blade, not that type of blade rather one from the many windgenerators in the area. It also has an amazing secondhand shop there with loads of interesting curios perheps we should do more to engage with these types of store and photograph the many items. Back on the highway heading north we encouter an unusually placed haulpak type vehicle with a section of fence decorate with toy trucks(colloquially refered to as tonka trucks) fixed to the fence. From there we headed into Port August where we enjoyed a American/Italian meal before fueling up for the next stage. Joining the Eyre Highway we stopped at some water tanks that even I remember back from the couple of times my parent drove across in 1970's, photos from then are digitised and VTRS tickets have been lodged giving permission for me share them to Commons. Some are there, others need a bit more processing all were scanned thats Wikimedia Australia have a scanner available in Perth for such tasks.
After that I search out one of those spots I noted on the way over that warranted stopping for photographs, daylight saving meant sunset was around 8pm which ironically its about the same time(8pm) in Perth hence why WA doesn't have it. We contiue on the Eyre hwy seeking out a spot to camp, co-incidence or fait we camp at the same place we did driving over. Tomorrow should be a good day.
Day 6
The clouds are back on the western horizon, made last nights photos really impressive but hopeful some out here we'll get clear skies so I can photograph those big skies at night.We pack up camp and reorganise the car as we are carrying extra goodies from Beerenberg and Snoatown secondhand store, did I mention I photographed a 1950 edition of Websters Dictionary while there. I score some christmas presents for some of my kids some wood working tools that look to be pre WWWII which one son loves to restore, oh thought bubble its another photo project for me to do photographs his collection of tools. I must stop getting distracted and side tracked into other things back on to the Eyre Highway. We arrive in Kimba early in the morning where we were greated by the Big Galah(no it wasnt a likeness of me). From Kimba we continue west on the Eyre Highway, stopping at some of the small towns between Kimba and Ceduna mostly just photos of the grain bins, and other features of each town.
We npassed through a town call Wudinna which has the Australian farmer another one of those big things its interesting in that it reflects the challenges of farmers and their families QRcode here could real do it the justice it deserves. Continuing on our way we encountered Dusty's Art Gallery in Poochera, he work is interesting and unique along this section there are many unmanned service stations 24hour fuel but we were warned when heading east that there was no fuel between Ceduna and Kimba a false piece of advice which caused us to not stop. This affected planning for the way home. We stopped in Ceduna and search out cheap fuel at Ceduna this was the first place that gave us both city prices and enough range to reach in to WA. While Ceduna offers many photo opportunties I had a church to visit just down the road.
Arriving at the Denial Bay Lutheran Church we stopped for photos, this church is isolated and one those interesting place that tells you alot of the history for the area. I took some outsidem shots of the church and total forgot to check and see if the door was unlocked so inside shots. The church has a small cemetery within its grounds, so I set out to photographs every marked gave or memorial there(see:Commons Category). Doing these little tasks do not appear to be useful but it creates a comprehensive record of a place and you never who maybe notable in there until someone starts writing about the area. We set off still heading west next place to stop is Penong this time we search out yet another big thing a Windmill windmills are every where in Penong.The bigwindmill is small when considering yesterday I was look at the Big Blade is that not also from a windmill the generate electricity. Photos and videos done we continue stopping at Nundroo to top the fuel always better to have more fuel in the tank than you need out here.
Now we set off out through Yalata and off onto the Nullabor plain we find a small look out for photos of the straight horizon. The we stop for the obligatory tourist photo at the Kangaroo, Wombat, Camel sign plus a couple of others. On we continue stopping some of the cliff top bays grabbuibg those standard tourist coast line photos. Eventually its time to find a camp for the night.
Day 7
Early start, actually most days started around sunrise you just avoid it out here but the sunshines gives you easy 14hours of travel including stops. First stop is the compulsory stop at Border Village for the WA quarantine formalities, and check of the esky to satisfy them the only thing we are smuggling is Beerenberg jams, and no we didnt have any honey Beerenberg ask us the same thing. Also no fresh fruit or vegies, as well second hand vehicles(mud or plant materials), used fruit boxes I had the memory of a trip 24 years earlier where we spent two days in Ceduna repacking everything after some used banana boxes. Not doing that again plastic crates even if they arent the most enviornmentally friendly item they also dont carry pathogens either.
Fuel at Eucla instead of Border Village its 37cpl cheaper, then a wander around Eucla photos of the police building, the nursing station and other facilities what few there are. Next the Mundrabilla water tanks these tanks have been there for a long time with a large tin rook that collects rains so travellers had access to fresh water, once boiled. Off to the roadhouse for a couple of photos. Madura pass looms ahead set the video up and record the climb out then turn around a go back to the lookout to grab some stills. I'm thinking now Cocklebiddi for fuel it also has a sanctury for injured wedge tailed eagles, magnificant birds to see so close up but i prefer to photographs of them flying free. We get to Cocklebiddi only to find that over night a truck had run into the canopy of the servo area so no fuel until they finish welding it back in place, this is why you always have enough fuel to continue on to the next stop, Caiguna here we come. We tick of the miles Caiguna, 90mile straight, Ballagnomia, Balladonia, message from Tom slow down or you'll be on Rottnest Island before morning. Stop for a walk at Newman Rock a very nice place one of those I could spends day here taking photos yet I dont have days.
Back on the road Fraser range looms upon us, quick note to telegram and it start a discussion about the area where once a Wikipedian lived. Its here I start to consider what to do next, where do we camp, do we even camp I know if reach Southern Cross I just head for home. I finally have good reception so I look to see if there is any accommodation in Norseman, I find a room at the Railway hotel late afternoon early evening end of travelling is the safe option.
Day 8
Early start still have no idea what the time is but once awake on the road we go. While in Norseman I decide to try the Commons App and tick off all the locations needing a photo. First up is the District school grab a photo or two before children start arriving. On the southern side of town is the airport two pins out there Airport & Weather Station. Weather station is on the far side of the airport in the lake ok I can reach that one, the airport is tagged as on the end of the runway obviously data set that locates the flight navigation target. The actual airport building isnt marked and the whole place is fenced off so a couple of photos from as close as I can get. Back into town a church is next looks like they are doing some work on the foundations but I can get a photo. Then theres a theatre oh that building is long gone, across the road yet another building also replaced this is frustrating. Around the corner is an ephemeral location some night time theatre appears just to a pin dropped for sake of it as the rear of the local IGA looks to have been there since the early years of the town. That IGA has a story worth telling at some point[1] plus other events makes it notable. Then two more ephemeral place both theatres or cinemas but that leads me to the towns EV charging point and its being used worth a photo while I'm here. It wasnt the only time I've encountered such issue in Katowice every bus/tram stop had a pin, why sculptures and other points of interest were missing. When I got home I brought this problem to the Commons App page but never got a functiopnal solution as it requires significant efforts on WikiData to address these places, perhap a property requires photo that has to be set, dunno what the long term easy to do solution could be.
Fuel up, grab a coffee and sausage roll for breakfast, thinking Lake Cowan which look magnificant going through may still be good headin back, but alas it had no surface water this time. Higginsville, lost under a mine site, Widgiemooltha all but gone just a roadhouse and couple of houses from what was once a sizable town even with a photo my father took 60 odd years ago I doubt I could locate that point for a comparative shot. on the road pass an abandon house and with a bit junk around, some cool artsy shots from there. Approaching Coolgardie we see sign saying Coolgardie Gorge side quest, disppointing its just a lake it has water and make a nice photo he I again turn to the Commons App this time knowing its a real hit and miss. First stop is the State Battery yet another place behind a fence but I can get a photo or two from the gates. Wardens Finnerty's house which over looks the town needed a photo so I got that and would return when its open to get some more from the inside, including a Coolgardie safe, in Coolgardie which is on the Coolgardie safe wikidata item. I've photographed Coolgardie safes before but now like with Biota we have the type species in its type location which is the perfect presentation where possible, who says taking photos cant be part of a fun game. A wander around town casual discussion with some people from the Judumul Gallery, oh look this has potential collaboratiosn written all over it and its within the reach of Sam Spares we could get computers in there for the community as well mind is racing this worth talking theourgh with Tom over coffee. After that little interlude we head back to Finnerty's house to look through lost of photos to upload from there.
Back on the road next stop Boorabobbin rest area where theres a memorial to three truck drivers horrensdously killed in a bush fire when the road was re-opened too soon, oh look a Crested Dragin(Ctenophorus cristatus) still photos and a video. Southern Cross appears out of nowhere quick stop here, another secondhand shop these place carry interesting pieces I'm convinced there is something we could do with such places from photos to every person has an interesting story and knowledge the more I look the more I think we really arent doing a great job in collecting the sum of all knowledge we are just becoming a minor university side project. Enough of that back on the raod the closer we get to Perth less places grab me for a photo ok one more fuel stop I've always known it as the Westonian road house because its on the turnoff apparent its actually called Carrabin. No need for more stops everything is now with easy reach of Perth on any day foot down trip over bar 300kms of driving. Arriving early evening we have travelled a grand total of 5628km over 8 days.
Addendum
What would be day 10, my phone is going crazy Toms famliy contact me to give me the sad news of his passing. I spend the rest of the day and late into the even seeking out Wikimedians and Wikimedia Australia executive to share the news. Over night we write up the a message to condolences to the family form the WMAU while advising the wider community now of his passing. So many things so many thoughts and ideas lost to the movement.
Observations
Here are series of thoughts, observations, and idea that came from making the journey, they are in no particular order;
- Travelling Wikimedian project - The posting I made while on the journey attracted some attention having people able to do journeys and post about them, take photos start articles would create amazing interest and perhaps as the audience grows more people will take up the keyboard to document Australia.
- A scholarship to WikiCon that funds a road journey where the person can share the gems they find and build some excitement to event.
- engagment with people outside the GLAM area theres is so much uncaptured knowledge out there and many thousands of object we need photos.
- record stories, our goal is to collect the sum of all knowledge not just what is locked on paper, get out and record the human stories their memories of places , their work, and their engagement in life there so much locked away in memories that never see light the light of day or add to our collective base of knowledge. Its 50 years since Cyclone Tracy why dont have more than just what the news wrote where is the personal experience that add life to what unfolded along with it impact, 50 years on we cant even have a list casualities that has over the years been dynamic because someone with no understanding of the complexities of Tracy says Wikipedia is not a memorial.
- WikiCon being over more days, bringing in WMF staff and others to explore new tools and activities happen outside of Australia, we are isolated ESEAP conference while good is not reaching deeply enough into the community.
- These in person engagements are so import its something Tom always encouraged, perhps WMAU can offer JarrahTree scholarships for people to attend other regional and global conferences during the year.
- Commons App & Wikidat(structured data) need to work better and not send people off looking for place that dont exist, perhaps it could add a tool that says the last photo was 5 years about its updated.