Meeting:Public (2014-02-02)
Steven_Zhang Well Steven_Zhang Hi Pru Pru Hi Steve - and all u99of9 Who's here? Steven_Zhang Bit many u99of9 @jayvdb? @Barras? @p858snake|l @peter-} @snail? u99of9 I don't recognize all the nicks - are you the only one from the Committee Steven? Steven_Zhang Just a reminder these meetings are logged Steven_Zhang Pru Steven_Zhang Meeting is open * peter -} is just an ordinary member. u99of9 hi peter, hi pru Pru Hi u99of9 - is this how you like to be called? u99of9 99of9 / Toby Steven_Zhang There are u Pru Cheers Toby:) u99of9 the u is because IRC doesn't allow digits at the start of a name Steven_Zhang There aren't any items on the agenda iirc Steven_Zhang open format Steven_Zhang I am driving Steven_Zhang :) u99of9 what are the big things the committee is thinking through at the moment? u99of9 driving what? a car or the agenda? Pru Item for the agenda Steve: What do members value as priority for the Annual Plan? Steven_Zhang aye Steven_Zhang a car Steven_Zhang Yea Pru Steven_Zhang That's one Pru As someone new to the committee, it would be helpful to know what others see as valuable use of time and resources Steven_Zhang and what members want from wmau Steven_Zhang How about you toby? u99of9 Less than 10% of the talk should be about the rules of the organization. u99of9 Getting minutes online should be as efficient as possible u99of9 Perhaps copying around a summary of each meeting to the main mailing list (e.g. one line for each resolution passed) Steven_Zhang That's fine for public meetings u99of9 I like programs like the regional/city workshops Steven_Zhang Committee meetings normally get accepted at the following meeting and then can be published u99of9 and direct glam partnerships (where we put in mostly manpower, not $$$) Steven_Zhang (not driving anymore) gnangarra hi Steven_Zhang Pru can you keep a log of this meeting? I'm mobile Steven_Zhang Hi Gideon Pru I can log from when I came in - just missed first 10 minutes Steven_Zhang from when I announced the meeting would be logged is fine :) u99of9 I think we should be applying for WMF funds. It sounds like our main deficiency is keeping records of what we are doing and how well it goes... Steven_Zhang I think our first step is to decide what we want to do gnangarra measurablse are an issue Steven_Zhang For the year Steven_Zhang Then decide on core and non core stuff u99of9 ... so I think the committee should have a centralized reporting spreadsheet, and event organizers or grant recipients should only get the funds if they fill in the fields on the spreadsheet Steven_Zhang What we really want to do and what we would like to do Steven_Zhang wmf does the same u99of9 so why don't we? *Steven_Zhang (~Android@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) gnangarra there was one of those around but they get too complex gnangarra trying to gather every possible piece of info from every scenario * Steven_Zhang (~Android@1.154.170.40) has joined #wikimedia-au u99of9 yes, I copied around one - thanks for filling in some of your events gnangarra * Steven_Zhang (~Android@1.154.170.40) Quit (Changing host) * Steven_Zhang (~Android@wikimedia/Steven-Zhang) has joined #wikimedia-au Steven_Zhang dropped sorry gnangarra trouble was fitting it in the shoe holes provided Pru As a geographically dispersed organisation we are so reliant on individuals organising and documenting events. A spreadsheet/calendar or online form even of the basic details would be a good start u99of9 Steven_Zhang - you said wmf does the same... you mean asks for spreadsheet reporting? then why don't we? u99of9 gnangarra - I think spreadsheets are more powerful (mostly for aggregation purposes) than written reports. Steven_Zhang nah I mean separate core and non core u99of9 Yes Pru, it can be simpler if gnangarra thinks the earlier version was too complex u99of9 but I think the committee should set one up, otherwise whatever we do, it will never be recognized Pru If we at least had a record of the event date, title, organiser a committee member could contact them to get the required information for our reporting purposes. We need people to organised/do things, not be put off by onerous reporting gnangarra 50 fields with only 2 or 3 relevant just makes it too time consuming and complex for people to fill it gnangarra yes basic details should be recorded u99of9 agreed gnangarra, simple is good... for example, for image collection events, I don't think there's any point making the event organizer use tools to find out what became FP/QI/VI u99of9 ... just supply a category that all the pictures went into gnangarra trouble is after 9 months and 12 dozen or so trips to Toodyay its only just showing measurable numbers Pru Yikes! Agreed. What would be useful info? Purpose, costs, attendees, benefits, things we learned/would do differently next time u99of9 I think the committee should look at what the WMF will ask of them, and design as simple as possible a reporting tool that meets those needs. gnangarra FYI the measurable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Buildings_in_Toodyay form toodyay Pru Yes - and links to articles/photos uploaded. They can be looked at later by someone compiling a proposal/funding submission u99of9 Pru, for images a category is better than links. u99of9 because there could well be thousands u99of9 nice Gnangarra Steven_Zhang :) gnangarra bang for buck, though it hasnt cost WMAU anything wouldnt be all that great if I asked for expenses gnangarra as 99of9 suggest cats work better to collate results https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Takes_Waroona u99of9 maybe it's worth asking some fraction of expenses, or at least estimating the true cost, just to show reporting bodies that real effort is going in u99of9 btw the SLNSW is still doing fantastic work Pru Chicken and egg here: why do we worry so much about asking for external funding when we don't seem to need it to do the activities we are doing? u99of9 just because gnangarra isn't asking for it doesn't mean we don't need it gnangarra Pru we do need, the problem lies in the request processes u99of9 (or we couldn't do more if we had it) gnangarra who is going to fund 12 trips at around 150 each if they cant have something to measure Pru OK: what would we deliver if we had $20,000 grant? u99of9 the egg is clear to me ... lay out the reporting facility that you need, so that we can report on the excellent stuff that's already done/ongoing u99of9 more diverse pictures and articles about australia Steven_Zhang Other chapters do quarterly reports Steven_Zhang This is something I think we should do too. u99of9 don't overbite... aim for annual u99of9 (first) Steven_Zhang annual is the minimum requirement gnangarra agree we need to record results, woul dthink we need half yearly, dec..jun just before funding rounds Steven_Zhang problem is if we wait that long u99of9 hell, one report would be good u99of9 no, don't wait Steven_Zhang It's hard to remember it all u99of9 start recording now u99of9 and ask us members to backdate once you know what details you want Steven_Zhang membership engagement seems to be an issue u99of9 I can easily fill in details for about 6 events, because all were recorded on wiki u99of9 we can't engage if you don't tell us what you want u99of9 (for reporting) Steven_Zhang more in general u99of9 but yes, I agree that other engagement is lacking gnangarra 99 you up for building a simple recording template on WMAU wiki u99of9 I'm a fan of meetups - a function that WMAU clearly has a place in because it's not an in-universe event Steven_Zhang aye Steven_Zhang I like meetups u99of9 I think the committee should gnangarra - because I haven't studied what the WMF want Pru Where is the best place to host that results/report. Do we set it up on the Reports page? http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Reports u99of9 so @peter-} and anyone else in Sydney... there's a meetup tomorrow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Sydney#The_Paragon_Hotel_-_Circular_Quay.2C_Feb_3rd.2C_from_5.30pm_til_late u99of9 also gnangarra, I'm not sure that wiki markup is the best format for a reporting tool ... isn't spreadsheet better? gnangarra yeah I think that would be best gnangarra on wiki is the best starting place gnangarra everyone knows how to fill in a template Steven_Zhang We can use a Google spreadsheet once we are moved over Pru Link to embedded Google doc would be great gnangarra Keep it simple u99of9 the last report on http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Reports is from May ... I suggest an email reminder to anyone who's received a grant from then u99of9 perhaps add a standing agenda item to follow up how many reports are currently outstanding u99of9 spreadsheets can be simple Pru We also want to collect activity from those who haven't received grants - just got on and did something. They have no obligation but helps our case u99of9 agreed Pru gnangarra yup u99of9 add a standing agenda item to name unfunded people to send reporting requests to Pru Suggested ation: Committee to draft simple template for reporting - after checking WMF requirements - and post link on WMAU Reports page u99of9 great Steven_Zhang Great u99of9 Suggested action: Committee to set up procedures to keep track of and remind outstanding reports. u99of9 I haven't been following closely - I take it we withdrew from the ARC grant? gnangarra in the process of withdrawing Steven_Zhang We discussed this in our committee meeting last week u99of9 if so, I assume that letters of apology to our partners will be sent? Steven_Zhang but yes we are in that process. Steven_Zhang It won't be just that u99of9 go on? Pru Have we lost Steve? There have been meetings and ongoing agonising over this. Steven_Zhang I'm here Steven_Zhang Sorry Steven_Zhang Well we won't just send them a letter saying "sorry but no" Pru Committee was keen to do more than just apologise - but find ways to support that didn't involve that kind of money Steven_Zhang We will be offering our support otherwise Steven_Zhang than financial Steven_Zhang My phone is almost outta juice btw gnangarra lagging again Pru Are there any other agenda items from members? u99of9 good to offer support, but an apology is also important Pru Did we finish engagement question? Steven_Zhang Yeah apologies will be given gnangarra what was the question u99of9 the quickest way to get engagement is to start an argument about the rules ... don't do that! gnangarra ok rule 1 :) u99of9 the best way to get engagement is to provide something that the editing community want gnangarra what do they want u99of9 I think the photographic equipment program meets this objective u99of9 I think meetups are in the WMAU remit u99of9 I think submitting official opinions to govt requests for comment are in the WMAU court Pru At least three types of members we want to engage: editors, potential editors and those not interested in/able to edit but wish to support the movement in other ways u99of9 and the thing i will vote you out for if you don't achieve it is making a proper attempt to establish a real source of funding ... (the WMF is the obvious) Pru eg in last group include organisations happy to provide content/images if someone else edits it, educators etc u99of9 agreed Pru, but obviously editors are the core at the moment, and I would expect that will continue Pru Good. So we need to find out what we can pay editors to do that they can't do at the moment. u99of9 gnangarra, in your wikitown, are you putting QR codes up? gnangarra which town u99of9 :) any gnangarra yes all will have codes gnangarra Freo has about 70 out there u99of9 what are they made of? did WMAU supply? gnangarra they printed on aluminium with resin coating, funded by a grant from Fremantle BiD project Guest11849 Guys I'm about to drop out but will be back soon Guest11849 (Steve here) u99of9 that kind of thing would be good .... a nice professional one for every good article associated with an Australian place gnangarra they cost about $40 each to make gnangarra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fremantle_Harbour_QRpedia_plate.JPG u99of9 ok, the kind of money a wikipedian might not spend out of their own pocket, but one that might drive at least $40 of interest to WMAU / Wikipedia gnangarra they do drive hits to pages gnangarra the stats from QR reads arent work atm to show Pru How are they funded now Gideon? gnangarra Freo is looking for funding, BiD was a once off gnangarra grant gnangarra Toodyay is being funded by the Shire gnangarra shold say will be gnangarra Waroona isnt that far advanced yet u99of9 ok, so councils may be keen to promote like that (esp since they get their name on it), but I think WMAU should backstop every Australian article that achieves a certain level Pru Presumably the shire/city would want to control the fixing of aluminium to their buildings gnangarra in Freo we did it gnangarra but yeah the Shire will do it in Toodyay u99of9 e.g. Whiteghost.Ink just got [[St James' Chuch, Sydney]] to FA .... wouldn't she be inspired to do more if a nice WMAU QR-plate arrived in the mail gnangarra fix them on isnt hard Pru But we could certainly do a project that contacted councils/organisations to offer to fund particular landmarks gnangarra getting permissions would be an issue u99of9 Pru the organization/council would obviously need to agree, but the editor could be responsible for obtaining that permission u99of9 (before ordering the plate) gnangarra its hard to do single plates, that would drive the cost up a lot u99of9 [BTW I'm suggesting "good article" level just to control the numbers, but the wikitown concept obviously has validity in numbers] Pru Could be quite a high publicity project with some consistent 'marketing' documentation to get Councils on board. They could apply, or the editor could apply in conjunction gnangarra the $40 was for 100 at a time u99of9 (but each of the 100 was different?) gnangarra yes each was different Pru We could have a submission form online, have an agreement/semi-sponsorship deal with the company who makes them so they get recognition Pru Then place an order every month/quarter when we reach 100 u99of9 So WMAU could wait until we had batches of 50 good articles ready to send out gnangarra yes that would work gnangarra The artwork isnt to hard to create Pru What happens if an organisation wants to be involved but we can't find an editor to get the article up to scratch? gnangarra they could be encouraged u99of9 They can pay the $40 * Steven_54 (~Android@58.171.119.180) has joined #wikimedia-au u99of9 even if the article isn't at GA level Pru Can we pay a 'project office' Pru project officer who is responsible for finding editors? SteveMobile sounds good u99of9 lol whoops Steven SteveMobile Sorry about all the disconnecting had to go to ikea :) u99of9 Steven_54 you just leaked your password u99of9 might want to change that u99of9 I'd advise against paying for editors to write an organizational page u99of9 I'd say they can still participate in the QR scheme if there's a pre-existing article and they are happy to stump up $50 u99of9 (the organization can I mean) Pru Agreed, but an organiser to help coordinate the project and ensure the reporting happens? u99of9 just as the councils did at gnangarra's prompting SteveMobile Did I? SteveMobile Bigger. SteveMobile bugger rather gnangarra do we need an organisors yet u99of9 \msg gnangarra why not just set aside funds say 5K u99of9 I think you put an accidental space in front of /msg SteveMobile to pay people to organise projects? gnangarra and say will will be creating 100 QR codes u99of9 that will inspire editors to get Australian content up to the required level gnangarra plaques ask the members to id the articles they thing will be suitbale Pru Gideon, is there a photo of the QR codes online? u99of9 ... unfortunately I can't stick a plaque on the cicada's I write about :) gnangarra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fremantle_Harbour_QRpedia_plate.JPG gnangarra but you could have it at a botanic garden u99of9 I'd say it's better not to give me one unless the article is specifically associated with a place gnangarra what about putting one near where the type species was collected gnangarra 1st collected u99of9 So... some biographies might qualify because there might be a significant house/grave site/etc that allows permission u99of9 *gives permission to attach a plaque Pru Going back to the comment about the stats from QR codes... is there a problem with this. We need metrics u99of9 we can track hits on those articles gnangarra yeah they are working on it the issue is privacy in collecting mobil data u99of9 before/after hits might be convincing on their own u99of9 and it's fair to include the bump that a better article always gets ... because WMAU had a role in inspiring it to get better Pru OK. Well it would at least meet the goal of increased quality of articles, as well as engagement with communities, and successfully running a project gnangarra dyk hits work well gnangarra and it would bring in more interest gnangarra in wikitowns Pru Is there a way to recognise the editor/s who contribute? u99of9 right, I forgot DYK - I'd be happy to lower the standard to DYK if WMAU thought they had sufficient funds... but that could get expensive u99of9 Pru, good idea u99of9 I think the design of the plaque is actually quite important.... gnangarra the plaque I use has room current used by logos at the mottom gnangarra that was meant to currently used at bottom SteveMobile Not sure about lowering to dyk gnangarra DYK can be for large expansion as well u99of9 fields like: article name / article writers / plaque sponsor (usually WMAU) / WMAU anyway / simple description of the item / connection to this location SteveMobile We could do DYK for 5x Pru Gideon: anything you would do differently with the plaque design? And should we go to tender, or continue with your supplier? gnangarra my supplier is great, they can ship direct anywhere after production u99of9 btw I think the WMF are currently in favour of editing contests ... and this sort of fits the bill, except there's a prize for everyone :) gnangarra itd be something other chapters could duplicate as well SteveMobile prize for everyone? u99of9 5x expansion DYK could be gamed... set up a v short article first ... then expand at low quality gnangarra with WWI as a focus there would be many sites we could code Pru I like it because encourages organisations who want a plaque to work out how to get the article sorted SteveMobile You mean apart from a sense of achievement u99of9 (everyone who writes a GA about a place-associated Australian topic gets their achievement stuck to a wall) SteveMobile Ah yes gnangarra that would drive people to an already backlogged project though gnangarra so we'd have to support that process as well u99of9 GA? don't worry, that's what we want on wiki... more GA candidates u99of9 yes, support reviewing if we can u99of9 that can be a requirement if you like ... review one as well Pru We could look at funding for specific subprojects, eg funding to working with schools/local history groups/churches... gnangarra not yet lets keep to members to encourage them first before going outside Pru to incorporate the recruiting objective u99of9 Pru if you go down that road, I think you just have to be a bit careful about PublicRelations / Advertisors u99of9 *Advertisers gnangarra these groups that are interested would come from a permission to post the plaque as the next stage Pru possibly SteveMobile We shouldn't discourage GAs cos it will create a backlog u99of9 Agreed SteveMobile, but gnangarra is right that GA submitters should also be involved in reviewing gnangarra GA is a good level to ask as a minimum u99of9 btw as your first batch, to get serious kick-off momentum, I'd suggest opening it to existing Australian place-related GAs SteveMobile sure gnangarra cureently there 536 GA australian articles and another 364 that are a class or fa u99of9 it won't encourage those to be edited so much, but it would get the stats moving quickly u99of9 ok, so 1000 x $40 is too much for a trial program SteveMobile aye u99of9 so at first keep a reasonably strict place-related requirement gnangarra actually according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australian_places they have only one GA or better article u99of9 I'd guess that will divide it by 5ish u99of9 haha, well I know there are plenty others that are about buildings or roads etc u99of9 and I think quite a few biographies would qualify u99of9 perhaps one of us can look through the list of 1000 and see how many have a clear place? gnangarra I think we should using the term building over place u99of9 sounds ok, though sculpture etc clearly qualifies SteveMobile Sorry I haven't been overly engaged today...had to run to the shops at the worst time. . u99of9 so "building, broadly construed" jayvdb hi sorry I am late gnangarra yeah u99of9 but actually, I think some natural places should qualify too gnangarra memorials, statues etc gnangarra some place should like Bare Island u99of9 bondi beach / mount tambourine u99of9 etc gnangarra https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_Island_%28New_South_Wales%29 gnangarra must upload my pano of that Pru A proposal is needed to get this to the committee for consideration - how much of this detail? u99of9 hi jayvdb SteveMobile Hi John u99of9 it's good to brainstorm detail, single proposal-writers often get blinkered gnangarra I'll start a proposal page on WMAU SteveMobile draft something and send to the list? u99of9 thanks gnangarra, I'm happy to copyedit u99of9 last time I pitched this to jayvdb he told me to write a proposal, but I still haven't gotten around to it Pru Do we put a timeline or limit on the project? For review at end of 2014? u99of9 sure Pru, and you probably want a $$$ limit gnangarra I think shorter jayvdb u99of9: ;-) SteveMobile pilots are good gnangarra was proposing by April, would give enough time SteveMobile Let's work on the details SteveMobile write the basic concept into our plan for this year SteveMobile As its something we do have to finish :) Pru Do we have any existing relationships with councils or organisations? Or do we start with posting a list of candidate articles and then decide who to contact gnangarra we contact the site once the article is at GA SteveMobile tap Into existing relationships , SteveMobile We have some with state libraries gnangarra just need a formatted letter to send out for permission gnangarra http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles bare bones atm Pru If we need to order 100 - let's tie the pilot project funds to that, ie get our first 100 up u99of9 I don't think you should limit to April, because an important part of it is encouraging new GAs Pru Permission letter with photo and dimensions of the plaque and example from Freo. Could we get a referee statement or endorsement from the Mayor there? gnangarra yeah I can get that gnangarra would print a sample(carboard) plaque to include with the letter Pru They get the kudos of the first Australian project u99of9 contact the editors before the organization IMO ... the editors may have insider contacts gnangarra need to conact the location owner for permissions u99of9 agreed gnangarra, but I think the editor will often be the best person to do that gnangarra I think it needs the official stamp of an organisation rather than an individual u99of9 e.g. I bet whiteghost.ink can wheedle permission from St James faster than a form letter can gnangarra maybe we do either methods u99of9 ok, so maybe send the official stamp letter to the editor, and get them to present it to their contact gnangarra yeah that would help jayvdb The St James one is a bit problematic due to it containing the logo without WMF permission Pru Presume there are no issues with the plaque on heritage-listed buildings? gnangarra there are issues gnangarra mostly from material types gnangarra and sizes SteveMobile We can use our logo iirc jayvdb The new trademark agreement will fix that gnangarra we would want to use our logo SteveMobile I'd have to check the chapters agreement tho SteveMobile We've used it on other letters before Pru We should investigate those issues so we have a solution when it is raised jayvdb Using it for official business is different gnangarra these would be an official project of WMAU SteveMobile Worth asking u99of9 jayvdb you mean the existing qr code ... we're not talking about that, that was done ad hoc jayvdb When the new trademark agreement is approved by the WMF board, these issues disappear, or are more clearly navigatable u99of9 I agree it would be good to get the trademarks situation clarified jayvdb u99of9: the existing QR at St James is very problematic. For new ones, I think it is worth waiting until the new trademark policy is approved jayvdb design with it in mind u99of9 Pru I don't think it would usually be attached directly to a heritage building jayvdb the landscape is much clearer . https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_policy gnangarra it is in Freo 99 u99of9 but heritage buildings always have information boards/signage etc, it would usually fit in somewhere there SteveMobile Great gnangarra signange normally doesnt have that much space u99of9 when do you expect that to be jayvdb? jayvdb soon - it was supposed to be discussed by the WMF board at their meeting yesterday SteveMobile Worth checking with LCA? u99of9 do you expect the policy to permit the typefaced "Wikipedia" on such a plaque? SteveMobile AH jayvdb https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Agenda_January_31st-February_1st_2014_Board_Meeting gnangarra https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Freopedia_Customs_House_plaque.jpg jayvdb sort of. it is covered here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_policy#policy-glam gnangarra Freo used WikipediA with permission from WMF jayvdb WMAU would need a 'Quick License' jayvdb gnangarra: that was the last one they approved, and are unlikely to approve any more in that adhoc manner gnangarra yeah I know gnangarra was just clarifying because the images of the plaques so it being used jayvdb the new trademark policy is the framework for the future, so any WMAU concepts should be built with it in mind u99of9 is that ceramic gnangarra? fwiw I like that a little better than the aluminium gnangarra that is the Aluminium with a resin coating gnangarra UV protected coating u99of9 extra cost? gnangarra no thats included gnangarra only other cost is instalation Pru We are over the 2 hours - has been very constructive project development meeting. Are we able to take the rest offline? gnangarra I'm good for a while longer if necessary jayvdb When will the last board meeting minutes be released? jayvdb And how did the Perth meetup yesterday go? u99of9 so, skimming that policy-glam page jayvdb, does that mean the building it's stuck to must be a cultural institution? u99of9 I need to go soon jayvdb u99of9: no - it is the section for 'wiki-town' like permissions too SteveMobile John you mean the one from last week? jayvdb SteveMobile: yes jayvdb minutes from the AGM too .. ;-) SteveMobile well, as you know is standard the minutes are drafted and then tabled at the next committee meeting SteveMobile Once accepted they can be published jayvdb that was not the standard previously jayvdb they were published as draft if they contained anything important u99of9 at church AGMs we authorize the first executive meeting to approve the AGM minutes jayvdb to be discussed at the public meeting jayvdb otherwise you have a six week turnaround on public feedback SteveMobile We used to publish unapproved minutes? jayvdb yes we did u99of9 we can't have a one year turnaround for AGM minutes SteveMobile hm. Odd. SteveMobile No I agree jayvdb the WMF board publishes notes as well u99of9 it's fine to publish if you clearly mark it as a draft jayvdb within a few days of their meetings SteveMobile The last agm minutes took until Feb or march? SteveMobile I've got a draft of the latest committee meeting minutes. agm minutes I have to check with Andrew. jayvdb Possibly. It should be done asap. u99of9 anyway, the point is, please be as quick as you can, delay is a surefire way of disengaging the members jayvdb yup - ideally before the public meeting which follows the ctte meeting SteveMobile sure :) will ensure we work on that jayvdb that keeps the feedback happening jayvdb it isnt always possible jayvdb volunteers and all jayvdb but it should be the goal at least SteveMobile agreed SteveMobile Ok I gotta run jayvdb cya SteveMobile Pru do you have a lot SteveMobile Log u99of9 I'm out too. Thanks all. SteveMobile cheerio gnangarra I'm off gnangarra caio Pru Hope so - I tested earlier. Will email to you Steve. Cheers everyone u99of9 probably not formatted well, but it's all there
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