Meeting:Public (2012-07-01)/Log

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14:00 <gnangarra> anyone around yet?
14:01 <jayvdb> yup; meeting starting now ;-)
14:01 <jayvdb> note that the log will be published on the WMAU wiki
14:01 <jayvdb> gday sDrewth; good to see you here
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14:02 <Graham87> hi all
14:02 <jayvdb> hi Graham
14:02 <jayvdb> are you all set for DC ?
14:02 <Graham87> yes, I can't wait!
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14:03 <Graham87> hi Anne
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14:04 <frazerwa> hi Graham
14:04 <sDrewth> probably russavia
14:05 <sDrewth> done the bins, checked the flooding, come back inside
14:06 <Graham87> the flooding?
14:06 <sDrewth> I use the flooding lightly, just lots of water flowing through the low parts of the block
14:06 <Graham87> ah not so bad then
14:07 <sDrewth> nah, we live at altitude, so if we flood Werribee and Geelong are doomed
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14:07 <sDrewth> there has been a lot of rain though
14:08 <Graham87> Hi Brian
14:08 <brian__> Hi folks. I just had to reinstall chatzilla on a new machine and it is not using my usual nick. Never mind.
14:09 <foks> Oh, yes, today's July 1!
14:09 <foks> Woopsie.
14:09 <sDrewth> need to do your tax return?
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14:10 <foks> ...yes. bollocjs.
14:10 <foks> *ks
14:11 <jayvdb> I've started our GLAM report  http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/June_2012/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_report 
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14:14 <foks> Hello Chris!
14:14 <jayvdb> wb Chris
14:14 <Graham87> hi Chris
14:16 <Graham87> previous edit to GLAM report was me, forgot to log on
14:16 <jayvdb> as some of you may know, I am over in Indonesia atm.  the main project I am working on is a Wikisource project with Wikimedia Indonesia.  They are running a competition to transcribe https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:A_dictionary_of_the_Sunda_language_of_Java.djvu 
14:17 <jayvdb> winner gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers.
14:17 <jayvdb> prize capped at ~$USD 200
14:18 <jayvdb> resulting activity can be seen at https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Index:A_dictionary_of_the_Sunda_language_of_Java.djvu 
14:20 <jayvdb> it would be good if we ran a similar competition to transcribe something like https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:An_Australian_language_as_spoken_by_the_Awabakal.djvu 
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14:21 <Addi|HIMYM> Oh, hello all :-)
14:24 <foks> jayvdb, sounds like a good idea!
14:25 <sDrewth> <- can think of better things to be doing in Indonesia than transcriptions
14:25 <sDrewth> <sowwy>
14:27 <jayvdb> I can think of better places in Indonesia to be than Jakarta
14:27 <Graham87> what are your impressions of the place? Wikitravel says it's more than a little chaotic, for a start
14:28 <sDrewth> fair call, I know no better either way
14:29 <jayvdb> Graham87: is certainly is that
14:29 <jayvdb> https://twitter.com/jayvdb/status/218571523299098624 
14:30 <jayvdb> and I spend way more time in taxis than I want
14:30 <jayvdb> I suspect that this is why they use mobile technology so much - they are stuck in traffic
14:31 <frazerwa> the compilation of the dictionary looks very interesting
14:31 <Graham87> @jayvbd: oh gawd, I thought Rome was bad ...
14:31 <jayvdb> sDrewth: are there any other Australian language dictionaries on Wikisource ?
14:33 <sDrewth> none of which I am aware, though I cannot say that I have explored that space
14:33 <sDrewth> 	File:A Descriptive Vocabulary of the Language in Common Use Amongst the Aborigines of Western Australia.djvu
14:33 <jayvdb> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Australia#Transcription_projects lists a few about Indigenous Australians, but no dictionaries 
14:33 <sDrewth> exists at Commons
14:34 <jayvdb> a Dictionaries portal would be good
14:34 <jayvdb> there is a https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Portal:Languages 
14:36 <sDrewth> that last File seems to be part of one "Diary of ten years eventful life of an early settler in Western Australia" anyway
14:36 <jayvdb> oh, I started https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:A_Descriptive_Vocabulary_of_the_Language_in_Common_Use_Amongst_the_Aborigines_of_Western_Australia.djvu 
14:37 <sDrewth> I haven't done an indepth view
14:40 <jayvdb> does anyone have questions or ideas they want to discuss?
14:42 <brian__> The finacial year is now over. When will be the AGM?
14:46 <jayvdb> the ctte hasnt discussed dates
14:47 <jayvdb> any suggestions?
14:49 <brian__> If we do not have to make changes in the people responsible for fund-raising after the AGM, then October will do
14:49 <brian__> otherwise September
14:50 <brian__> It has to be done before end of November
14:50 <brian__> However we need the audit of accounts for the AGM
14:53 <jayvdb> ive added the 'before December' rule to http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/General_meeting 
14:54 <brian__> The rule is actually "within five months of the end of the financial year" but "before December" will do
14:56 <frazerwa> within 5 months after the end of the Association's financial year; and also we have to lodge the annual stqatement within 1 months of holding the meeting
14:56 <frazerwa> *statement*  *1 month*
14:56 <jayvdb> All of our fundraising representatives are able to stay on in those roles, baring an unexpected problem
14:57 <jayvdb> I think aiming for September is a good idea.
14:59 <frazerwa> we need to check if we can have our financial statements in time for the AGM so we might also have to look at October
15:00 <jayvdb> nod
15:00 <frazerwa> we have various other aspects to put in place also that are important 
15:02 <jayvdb> such as?
15:02 <Chriswaterguy> Heh - didn't notice the activity here - I'll need to actually set an alarm next time :-)
15:03 <frazerwa> we need to clarify as per the 2011 Returning Officer's recommendations for voting;
15:03 <jayvdb> would be good to write up more detailed minutes of the last AGM.
15:03 <frazerwa> and we have discussed the possibility of Rule changes which need thorough discussion
15:04 <frazerwa> jayvdb - yes
15:04 <jayvdb> thanks for bringing up rule changes.  we do need to identify those early
15:05 <frazerwa> they have been identified and captured as such; they have not been discussed on comm page yet but we are ready to do this thing
15:05 <russavia> can someone tell me how to unsubscribe from members@wikimedia.org.au ?
15:05 <frazerwa> oh russavia, why?
15:05 <jayvdb> russavia: email me and it will be done.
15:06 <russavia> i'm quitting projects at end of july
15:06 <russavia> tx john
15:07 <Addi|HIMYM> russavia: :O really? :(
15:08 <jayvdb> are there any rule changes the membership wants to have considered
15:09 <Chriswaterguy> jayvdb: "winner gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers" -> cue variation on an old joke: "runner-up gets a trip to Jakarta to the screening of Truth in Numbers - winner is allowed to stay at home."
15:09 <frazerwa> we will of course seek membership consideration on the changes; first we need to get them in order and prepared
15:09 <jayvdb> the prior public discussions about rule changes are at http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Talk:Rules 
15:17 <jayvdb> was the 2011 Returning Officer's recommendations for voting published ?
15:18 <brian__> Sorry, I had to step away and will now have to go out. I support what Anne says above
15:19 <jayvdb> found it. http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Election_Report_-_2011-2012_WMAU_Committee_Nominations_and_Voting 
15:20 <jayvdb> brian__: will you be the returning officer again, if the issues identified last time are addressed?
15:21 <jayvdb> if any rule changes are necessary before the AGM, we will need to conduct an SGM first
15:48 <jayvdb> in re last public meeting .. http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-06-03%29 
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15:49 <jayvdb> Peter-} did download the dumps of enwiki (and other wikis) and sent them to Melbourne
15:50 <jayvdb> the tech guys in Melbourne had difficulty installing enwiki onto the cloud.  it is still not up and running
15:51 <jayvdb> unless someone else is interesting in trying, the USB drive will be sent to Craig
15:53 <brian__> I'm back. Yes, I will be Returning Officer if the committee wants me to be. I suggested an appointment this month
15:54 <u99of9> bah, missed the whole meeting, sorry
15:54 <u99of9> is the log up already?
15:55 <u99of9> or are you still going?
15:56 <jayvdb> still going
15:57 <jayvdb> partial log at http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Meeting:Public_%282012-07-01%29/Log 
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16:03 <jayvdb_> regarding finances and the future, the Funds Dissemination Committee is still a work in progress, but it is expected to be up and running by the end of the year, and we'll be expected to submit an annual plan by then
16:04 <jayvdb_> see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC for more info about that organisation 
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16:05 <jayvdb> are there any major items that members would like to see in our annual plan for next year?
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16:07 <jayvdb> (or non-members ;-)
16:08 <gnangarra> some townhall type events in each city where the committee attends
16:11 <jayvdb> how much should be allocated to these events?
16:16 <frazerwa> we need to id events and correspondingly identify the likely costs associated with the different types of events
16:17 <brian__> I must leave again - dinner. I'll check the log later
16:17 <jayvdb> should we be flying a few committee members, and/or groups of the national Wiki community, to attend these town hall meetings?
16:18 <gnangarra> definately some committee, maybe someone from OS if they can do a couple in go 
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16:23 <jayvdb> this could fit under the core stragegy item of http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Strategic_Plan#Core:_Support_volunteer_initiatives 
16:23 <jayvdb> "promoting local events to allow Australian editors and volunteers to build local community networks"
16:23 <gnangarra> treat the townhalls as a way to engage with smaller local glams,  editors and local media
16:23 <jayvdb> nod
16:26 <jayvdb> how many of them should be budget for?
16:26 <jayvdb> e.g. how many should be hold in the Perth region?
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16:27 <gnangarra> two, one perth, one regional over the same weekend
16:27 <gnangarra> adelaid would be similar
16:30 <gnangarra> you could also repeat if necessary later on, but getting people here is costly and time consuming so you'd want bang for bucks
16:30 <jayvdb> two for most states & territories sounds ok, esp if one must be regional.  three for Syd and Melb?
16:31 <russavia> l8rz all
16:31 <jayvdb> IMO this sounds like a program we should also include NZ for, esp. if we are going to be bringing intl ppl
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16:33 <gnangarra> yup nz sounds good, maybe a PNG as well in the longer term
16:33 <jayvdb> if another member supports this proposal, we can put it up on the wiki and develop it there
16:33 <frazerwa> and Timore Leste too
16:34 <frazerwa> I am happy to support, but if someone else prefer to ok too
16:34 <frazerwa> *prefers*
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16:35 <jayvdb> (hi stuartyeates; we're in a meeting atm; log will be published)
16:37 <jayvdb> ok Anne, we'll put you down as the seconder.  if someone else wants to take over that role, they can. ;-)  I'll start writing it up.
16:37 <jayvdb> any other ideas?
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16:41 <frazerwa> jayvdb thanks John very terrific
16:41 <frazerwa> jayvdb have you notice a new application in your email inbox?
16:42 <u99of9> what exactly do you mean by town hall meeting?  and why does it need internationals?
16:42 <frazerwa> *noticed*
16:42 <frazerwa> Graham go have a look-listen to your email inbox some nice news
16:47 <gnangarra> a one day event, to intro WMau, etc  with smaller groups  so that local editors are able to engage and develope projects on managable scales
16:50 <sDrewth> jayvdb: you should set up the framework for Sunda language work, and add some help to Index talk:.
16:54 <sDrewth> otherwise you will be bo-ol